Informing the Army’s Future Structure - CAMO Discussion

[MilEME09]

As much as I am a huge believer in Army Aviation, as you note the CA doesn’t have a proven track record with adulting where Aviation is concerned.

My concern is they will be the first to go when a budget or PY cap comes in - as the CA is notoriously miserly at saving anything outside 9 Infantry BN’s (or at least the line companies -and LtCol roles for 9) then everyone else gets to stand in line.

Administratively the brigade will still belong to the RCAF, tactically they will be under army command. So PY is more a RCAF issue, as will be the budget

 

[FJAG]

My concern is they will be the first to go when a budget or PY cap comes in - as the CA is notoriously miserly at saving anything outside 9 Infantry BN’s (or at least the line companies -and LtCol roles for 9) then everyone else gets to stand in line.

By now you'll know that while a born cynic, I'm eternally optimistic. I'm seeing some positive changes in culture - for example that artillery matters and we need some and that it's bounced to the top of the priorities list.

OTOH, my research for WAFGs has brought out the realization that true advances that moved the goalposts for the army happened more because of serendipity or the efforts of a few dedicated individuals who just happened to be in the right place at the right time than through corporate foresight and vision.

I'll be the first to acknowledge that our senior leadership isn't stupid and that many of the decisions made were as a result of severe financial constraint imposed a) by government funding, and b) bureaucratic somnambulance. But still . . . and with admitted 20/20 hindsight . . . many of those decisions were just plain wrong.

Administratively the brigade will still belong to the RCAF, tactically they will be under army command. So PY is more a RCAF issue, as will be the budget

My gut reaction to that is: Ahhh! The worst of both worlds - a Titanic deckchair shuffle.

 

[MilEME09]

My gut reaction to that is: Ahhh! The worst of both worlds - a Titanic deckchair shuffle.

and we wouldn't have it any other way....cause CAF

 

[Kilted]

You do read correctly a full aviation brigade, ive seen detailed break downs of it, and the need for this brigade is really driving NTac discussions

Are we talking full Mel Gibson style here?

 

[MilEME09]

Are we talking full Mel Gibson style here?

No, but each regiment would have the flexibility of including all parts of NTac from recce/firesupport to heavy lift

 

[daftandbarmy]

As much as I am a huge believer in Army Aviation, as you note the CA doesn’t have a proven track record with adulting where Aviation is concerned.

My concern is they will be the first to go when a budget or PY cap comes in - as the CA is notoriously miserly at saving anything outside 9 Infantry BN’s (or at least the line companies -and LtCol roles for 9) then everyone else gets to stand in line.

Did you leave out ‘Naval Aviation’ on purpose?

 

[KevinB]

Did you leave out ‘Naval Aviation’ on purpose?

Yes: for two reasons
1) Maritime Helo is something I know next to nothing about. My experience with Helo’s over water has to been use either as an overwatch platform for boardings, or to rope out or for a boarding.

2) I am trying to stay (for once) on topic and MH isn’t germane to the CA at this point in time. Additionally unless the CAF is buying some sort of Assault Ship, and investing in a slew of CH-53K King Stallions to support Air Assault from the Sea, I doubt it ever will.