Informing the Army’s Future Structure

[FJAG]

Actually I would form an entire new Bde
I was envisioning around 6k new PY.

I’m dead set against new PYs until we use the ones we have efficiently.

My model goes with 1,000 or so PYs harvested out of the existing Ottawa bureaucracy to form a rump multi-national div hq; a rump multi-national bed hq and two rump bn hqs; a rump armed RegF hq; and a rump arty hq and a fairly robust CSS hq and troops with prepostioned equipment. Units would be designated for flyover and all units would flyover for three to four week exercises.

The alternative would be to post an existing brigade there. I appreciate the current infrastructure concerns but that’s simply a problem that needs solving.

In either case, what’s left of the RegF needs to get really serious about creating workable hybrid units with the reserves. That’s where the future should lie.

The money 6,000 new PYs costs should flow into equipment with some to CSS. We don’t need another steenkin brigade.

 

[daftandbarmy]

In either case, what’s left of the RegF needs to get really serious about creating workable hybrid units with the reserves. That’s where the future should lie.

The money 6,000 new PYs costs should flow into equipment with some to CSS. We don’t need another steenkin brigade.

The Reg F version of that would probably look like...

 

[FJAG]

The Reg F version of that would probably look like...

It would be interesting if a given hybrid unit’s CO’s future progress was dependent to the tune of 70% based on the development of his 70% reservists.

 

[KevinB]

It would be interesting if a given hybrid unit’s CO’s future progress was dependent to the tune of 70% based on the development of his 70% reservists.

Without significant changes to the Reserve Employment Structure - I do not see the viability of hybrid units.

I really think they are needed, but the GOC and the CAF (mainly CA) seems to be oblivious of that reality.

 

[FJAG]

Without significant changes to the Reserve Employment Structure - I do not see the viability of hybrid units.

I really think they are needed, but the GOC and the CAF (mainly CA) seems to be oblivious of that reality.

It goes without saying. Changing the employment structure of the reserves is long overdue. But it needs changing concurrent with that of the RegF. The army is too timid with reform. Bold strokes are needed across the board.

 

[daftandbarmy]

It would be interesting if a given hybrid unit’s CO’s future progress was dependent to the tune of 70% based on the development of his 70% reservists.

I don't think that kind of coercion would matter much.

Having suffered through several COs who had just emerged from the Reg F to command a Reserve unit, I can assure you that the leadership strengths required to be the successful CO of a Reserve Unit do not come naturally to most Reg F Senior Officers.

To put it mildly.

 

[dapaterson]

OTOH, most Res F COs could not command and manage a full time operational units. Their experience is limited, their ignorance is outstripped by their arrogance.

The Army Res F tends to fixate on what they think is cool,rather than developing proper skills and awareness that Army missions last longer than 48 hours.

 

[foresterab]

Get rid of Army leadership and take a number of Forum members here to do the task. A better chance of success rather than convening at Army HQ where everyone is protecting their back. More common sense here.

Nominations. Let's keep it a Section str.

Don't we have to have a 3 month discussion on which decade's organization structure will be used to define the section size and if it aligns with NATO/Peer equivalencies?

Sometimes do wonder what could be done up though with a few pitchers of beer on the table and enough folks around a bar top table.

 

[daftandbarmy]

OTOH, most Res F COs could not command and manage a full time operational units. Their experience is limited, their ignorance is outstripped by their arrogance.

The Army Res F tends to fixate on what they think is cool,rather than developing proper skills and awareness that Army missions last longer than 48 hours.

It's decided then... everything will now be run by the WO's & Sgts Mess....

... oh, wait a minute

 

[Kirkhill]

I don't think that kind of coercion would matter much.

Having suffered through several COs who had just emerged from the Reg F to command a Reserve unit, I can assure you that the leadership strengths required to be the successful CO of a Reserve Unit do not come naturally to most Reg F Senior Officers.

To put it mildly.

Kind of goes to that "volunteer" thingy.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Kind of goes to that "volunteer" thingy.

Or that 'lead by example' thingy...

 

[Kirkhill]

Or that 'lead by example' thingy...

Potayto/Potahto

Volunteer leaders are forced to learn how to lead. Volunteers only follow if they feel like it.

Managers don't feel that same imperative. They expect their orders to be followed. Recalcitrants are eliminated.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Potayto/Potahto

Volunteer leaders are forced to learn how to lead. Volunteers only follow if they feel like it.

Managers don't feel that same imperative. They expect their orders to be followed. Recalcitrants are eliminated.

 

[Kirkhill]

Some of the biggest shocks in my life have happened on those days that I turned around and realized there were silly buggers following me, apparently under the impression I knew where I was going and what I was doing.

 

[Kirkhill]

Gen Z want schools and universities to prepare them for war

More young Britons value military opportunities amid rising geopolitical tensions

www.telegraph.co.uk

This article I continue to find intriguing. Coupled with multiple polls saying the youngsters don't want to go to war I am drawn to the conclusion that the youngsters want to learn how to soldier even if they don't want to soldier.

A very Canadian ethos don't you think?

Soldiering if necessary but not necessarily soldiering.

 

[quadrapiper]

Soldiering if necessary but not necessarily soldiering.

A very sound basis for a robust Reserve/Militia/Guard force, and for avoiding things like the neverending Afghanistan mission.

Perhaps use some federal funding arm-twisting or bribery, whichever seems more effective, to establish Reserve footprints on every major campus in the country: combination recruiting, training, and administrative hubs, with a robust side of liaison and outreach, to attract and retain students as CAF members.

Pte Bloggins who joined the CSCOTR, took their first couple of years of schooling at VIU, and is now at UBC, intending to return home to Nanaimo, should be provided the tools and minor incentives necessary to continue as a member.

 

[daftandbarmy]

A very sound basis for a robust Reserve/Militia/Guard force, and for avoiding things like the neverending Afghanistan mission.

Perhaps use some federal funding arm-twisting or bribery, whichever seems more effective, to establish Reserve footprints on every major campus in the country: combination recruiting, training, and administrative hubs, with a robust side of liaison and outreach, to attract and retain students as CAF members.

Pte Bloggins who joined the CSCOTR, took their first couple of years of schooling at VIU, and is now at UBC, intending to return home to Nanaimo, should be provided the tools and minor incentives necessary to continue as a member.

Especially a civilian job, locally...

 

[Kirkhill]

Especially a civilian job, locally...

I have just started looking at this:

AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE TO THE COMMITTEE PRINT OFFERED BY MR. ROGERS OF ALABAMA recently posted by one of our members (My apologies because the name escapes me).

What immediately jumped out at me was

Retirement homes,
Spousal Professional Licenses

Training new manufacturers in new skills
Building new factories (including foundries)

Developing new AI industry

....

In short, a whole bunch of stuff that comes out of the budget that doesn't go bang. Instead it adds to the national industrial infrastructure.

In other words, civilian jobs.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I have just started looking at this:

AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE TO THE COMMITTEE PRINT OFFERED BY MR. ROGERS OF ALABAMA recently posted by one of our members (My apologies because the name escapes me).

What immediately jumped out at me was

Retirement homes,
Spousal Professional Licenses

Training new manufacturers in new skills
Building new factories (including foundries)

Developing new AI industry

....

In short, a whole bunch of stuff that comes out of the budget that doesn't go bang. Instead it adds to the national industrial infrastructure.

In other words, civilian jobs.

The old unit's leadership structure is packed with those who fled to Class B employment at the earliest opportunity, largely because it was easier to get a good paying job than civilian options.

That's a big risk for a PRes unit, and it seems to be common occurrence with other units as well; more common than I recall at any other time ...

 

[quadrapiper]

Especially a civilian job, locally...

Naaaaaa who needs one of those?

Especially, to accommodate current approaches and demands from both the Reserve and Cadet organizations, a job that allows you to devote significant daytime weekday time and entire summers to the A-day role?

I work an arts gig that doesn't follow Mon-Fri over the winter and that goes dark for the summer. This makes dealing with the full-time layer, and staffing summer training, possible.

Not entirely sure how everyone with a more conventional schedule and kids manages.