- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
Informing the Army’s Future Structure
- Thread starter dimsum
- Start date
daftandbarmy
Army.ca Dinosaur
- Reaction score
- 32,253
- Points
- 1,160
I had the opportunity to go for a (very slow, very short) run with one of the CBG HQs a couple of times.
It was kind of like watching a refugee column, except that most refugees manage to retain some shred of their dignity
- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
Space serving the Arctic and the Great Canadian North
The Canadian North and the Arctic are a vast region of ice and snow, and the home of people with rich and diverse cultures.www.asc-csa.gc.ca
Canada does have multiple satellites over the Arctic currently. They can be used to monitor ship traffic, among other things.
The government/DND does have the tools in place currently to observe above surface contacts. Those tools just aren’t visible or high profile.
MPA & RPA over the North sounds great. And it would be, absolutely. But is it duplicating a capability we already have, re identifying surface contacts?
True. We don’t have the ability to promptly respond to violations the way we could with a MPA. But our MPA can’t engage surface contacts anyway.
Between satellites above the Arctic and the AOPS roaming about, as well as the facility being built, we aren’t blind by any means. I think we forget just how big of an area the Arctic actually is.
Our problems are knowing what is happening sub-surface, and an ability to influence what’s happening sub-surface. And to be frank, I don’t see any Canadian government being able to change that anytime soon - even if we did UOR everything we would want.
Personally, I say let our key allies be allies.
We deployed MPA to the UK when they were experiencing a gap in having that capability - I don’t think anybody in the UK thought Canada was invading, or stealing their sovereignty. We were being a good ally.
We deployed CF-18 fighters to Alaska to take over USAF NORAD duties when their F-15C fleet was grounded due to 2 mid-air breakups back to back. I don’t think the US thought we were trying to steal Alaska, we were being a good ally.
If nuclear submarines are the main tool to operate under arctic ice, and keep Russian and Chinese nuclear submarines away - then let them fill the capability gap we have.
0.02
I guess I was looking at all the Satellite, GPS, Navigation and Comms projects on the DND books and thinking how many of them would benefit the civilian population of the north. So why not lay those projects into Northern Development, and take them off the DND books? Just ensure that they provide secure, encrypted channels which the DND can access.
Same thinking on logistics and sustainment.
Rather that ensuring that the CAF can operate in an "inhospitable" environment in our own back yard why not have the Government create a more generally hospitable environment nationally? It might gain it some political brownie points with the First Nations. And it would allow the CAF to focus its money on deployment and pointy end stuff.
Unless of course the plan is to eat up the DND budget on domestic housework and claim it as NATO/NORAD credits.
- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
I had the opportunity to go for a (very slow, very short) run with one of the CBG HQs a couple of times.
It was kind of like watching a refugee column, except that most refugees manage to retain some shred of their dignity
Sound like candidates for the Vital Points Invalid Task Force.
daftandbarmy
Army.ca Dinosaur
- Reaction score
- 32,253
- Points
- 1,160
It's OK though, no one starts work before 0930 because they all have time off to do 'personal PT'.
It could be much worse otherwise
Blackadder1916
Army.ca Fixture
- Reaction score
- 2,777
- Points
- 1,160
Not a lot of calories in Northern brownies.
| Province/ Territory | Population estimate | Total seats |
|---|---|---|
| Yukon | 34.666 | 1 |
| Northwest Territories | 43,675 | 1 |
| Nunavut | 33,322 | 1 |
- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
Agreed. But on the other hand you don't need to bake that many brownies. And the locals have such nice stuff. A few calories go a long way.
PUBLICATION - March 6, 2019 - By Dave Lovekin, Dylan Heerema
Backgrounder
Download PDF
lenaitch
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 3,727
- Points
- 1,160
I'm missing the correlation.
Personally, I say let our key allies be allies.
We deployed MPA to the UK when they were experiencing a gap in having that capability - I don’t think anybody in the UK thought Canada was invading, or stealing their sovereignty. We were being a good ally.
We deployed CF-18 fighters to Alaska to take over USAF NORAD duties when their F-15C fleet was grounded due to 2 mid-air breakups back to back. I don’t think the US thought we were trying to steal Alaska, we were being a good ally.
If nuclear submarines are the main tool to operate under arctic ice, and keep Russian and Chinese nuclear submarines away - then let them fill the capability gap we have.
0.02
To me there is a difference between helping a friend during a short-term time of need and having others fill what just about every other serious nation considers sovereign responsibilities. (yes, I realize Iceland and New Zealand). If we get others to do stuff on our territory, I suppose we can't complain when they do it their way, on their terms, without asking. Why would they? We would have telegraphed the reality that we don't care.
Domestic security is a different discussion from how we can contribute internationally. I suppose we could farm out any number of functions; border control, fishery enforcement, coast guard, air navigation. Look at the money we would save.
- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
Propane Powered Micro-CHP
When it comes to efficiency, there’s no doubt that micro combined heat and power (micro CHP) beats electricity supplied over the grid.
The electricity that comes to a typical single-family home in the U.S. is only about 33 percent efficient, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). That’s because the heat used to generate it in a coal- or gas-fired power plant is lost, as is some of the electricity itself during transmission over high-voltage power lines.
(I believe that to be likely in an SMR as well, unless the houses were close enough together to benefit from a central hot water distribution system)
Compare that to micro CHP, which uses an on-site gas- or propane-fired engine to generate electricity while capturing the engine’s heat to produce hot water. These systems are typically 60 to 80 percent efficient, with some systems nearing 90 percent efficiency, according to the EPA.
Micro CHP is best suited for large, luxury homes with a high thermal load. (Or a small northern one with cold dark days and long cold nights)
Micro CHP is already an established technology in Japan and Europe, but it has a much smaller share of the U.S. single-family market. That is primarily due to the systems’ cost. They currently run around $14,000 per kW installed, or $21,000 for a small, 1.5kW residential system, according to Fairfax, Virginia–based consultancy ICF. That per kW cost tends to go down as system size goes up; manufacturer Yanmar says its 5kW system typically costs between $40,000 and $60,000 installed, or $8,000 to $12,000 per kW.
(1.5 kW for a residential unit. Consider a small village or 1000 people. 250 homes? 375 kW. Or 0.375 MWe. Even if each home were supplied with a 5kW Yanmar system at 60,000 USD - and sold their power back into the community grid - that would only cost 15,000,000 USD - 20,000,000 CAD - to install and create a 1.25 MWe energy "hotspot" in the North.)
...
Home size and thermal load
Micro CHP systems offer the best payback in areas where electricity costs are high. Shown is Yanmar’s CP5WN model.
The most likely residential candidates for micro CHP are large luxury homes of at least 3,000 square feet with a high thermal load, according to ICF. Amenities that contribute to the above-average thermal load include heated swimming pools, hot tubs, and spas, as well as heated driveways and walkways for snow removal.
“We want to utilize a minimum of around 60 percent of the available BTUs of heat that we produce,” says Michael Alfano, sales application engineer at Adairsville, Georgia–based Yanmar America. “To make it financially justifiable to install our 5kW system, somewhere between 5,000 and 7,500 square feet is usually our base on a residential application. Homes with radiant heat or hydronic heating work best.”
Local electricity costs
In the U.S., micro CHP has the best payback in areas that have high electricity costs.
The national average in September 2017 was 13.3 cents per kW hour, according to the EIA. Areas that typically exceed that average are the Northeast, California, Alaska, and Hawaii, as well as many large cities, according to Anne Hampson, principal in the distributed energy resources practice at ICF.
Keep in mind, too, that while a utility may report a lower-than-average per kW hour price, you’ll want to look at your client’s total electric bill to figure out what they’re actually paying.
“The utility might tell you that they’re selling a kilowatt at 6 cents [per hour], but when you take the entire bill and divide it by the kilowatts actually used, you find out that it’s closer to 21 or 22 cents,” Thuesen says. “Other service charges and taxes add up to a significant portion of the bill, which [the client is] not paying with CHP.”
Spark spread size
The spark spread, or the price difference between electricity and gas or propane in a given market, also comes into play. Using a lower-cost fuel source, CHP units can generate electricity at a cheaper rate than what the utility charges. “That’s a big key to the deployment of these systems,” Alfano says. “When you have a large spark spread, it becomes very viable to use a micro CHP system.”
Net metering options
States that allow net metering to spin a home’s electric meter backward when a micro CHP system generates excess power also help justify the cost. Yet while micro CHP combined with on-site battery storage is completely feasible for off-grid homes, that’s not where most systems are used.
“The majority of the systems we know about are still grid-connected,” Hampson says. “Those homeowners can run their systems to meter power back to the utility, and use that as another way to zero out their electric bill.
Power-loss potential
Other candidates for micro CHP are homes located in remote areas where extending utility service from the grid would be cost prohibitive, and those in areas where extreme weather events like hurricanes and blizzards could result in prolonged power outages. Propane’s advantage as an off-grid fuel is especially compelling as a power source for micro CHP at these types of homes. And unlike backup generators, which can fail after extended continuous use, micro CHP units are designed to run 24/7, if needed.
“One of the sweet spots for micro CHP is a large custom home in an area where the grid goes down, such as hurricane and tornado zones, or regions that experience big snowstorms and high winds,” says David Goswick, CEO of Houston-based HOUZE Advanced Building Science Inc., which has built four homes powered by micro CHP. “Think about [the impact of] Superstorm Sandy on Long Island, or Hurricane Harvey here in Houston.”
Propane | Clean American Energy
Propane is an environmentally friendly energy solution that is also affordable, reliable, and versatile. It's what makes propane the energy for everyone.
propane.com
Or, for those living in the Boreal Forest - Biomass.
Electricity from woodchips and pellets - Säätötuli Canada
Produce electricity and heat with woodchips or pellets with the Finnish Volter small-scale Combined Heat and Power (CHP) units.
www.saatotuli.ca
Come to that, it is probably safer, and cheaper to ship wood pellets (aka renewable biomass) down river from the Dene to the Inuit than it is to produce and ship propane.
- Reaction score
- 17,097
- Points
- 1,010
I am not sure propane is a reliable source of heat/power for Arctic communities, where the temperature routine
falls to the point where is becomes a liquid and therefore, unburnable.
falls to the point where is becomes a liquid and therefore, unburnable.
- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
I didn't know that. Thanks.
Another reason for "Biomass" perhaps? (I was adding a bit to my last while you writing - bad habit of mine - thinking and writing in real time).
- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
Article from the International Energy Association on the use of domestic biomass Combined Heat and Power generators.
- Reaction score
- 17,097
- Points
- 1,010
I think there is some room for a thoughtful rethink of how northern communities are powered and heated. I have seen the quantities of diesel fuel shipped north each year and it is staggering. If we can put a dent in that amount (without further driving northern communities into energy poverty) it is worth it.
daftandbarmy
Army.ca Dinosaur
- Reaction score
- 32,253
- Points
- 1,160
Since we seem to have drifted into NRCAN territory, I thought I'd share this for interest:
Reducing diesel energy in rural and remote communities
Diesel generated energy
Remote communities not connected to the North American electricity grid rely on costly and greenhouse gas (GHG) emitting diesel generated electricity.Energy efficiency and conservation measures can help to reduce overall demand for diesel and provide savings to communities. Local renewable energy such as wind, solar, hydro or biomass can replace diesel, reduce environmental and health impacts, and create local economic development opportunities.
”Remote communities . . . do not receive the benefits that 99 percent of the Canadian population take for granted, such as guaranteed, reliable and affordable electricity,” said Christopher Duschenes, Director, Centre for the North, The Conference Board of Canada. “They rely solely on locally generated electricity, which typically comes from diesel-powered generators. This limits the potential growth of these communities, results in high electricity costs and can have adverse environmental impacts.”
Power Shift: Electricity for Canada’s Remote Communities,
The Conference Board of Canada
Clean Energy for Rural and Remote Communities Program
www.nrcan.gc.ca
- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
The two basics of modern society - a warm house and hot water.
- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
Since we seem to have drifted into NRCAN territory, I thought I'd share this for interest:
Reducing diesel energy in rural and remote communities
Diesel generated energy
Remote communities not connected to the North American electricity grid rely on costly and greenhouse gas (GHG) emitting diesel generated electricity.
Energy efficiency and conservation measures can help to reduce overall demand for diesel and provide savings to communities. Local renewable energy such as wind, solar, hydro or biomass can replace diesel, reduce environmental and health impacts, and create local economic development opportunities.
”Remote communities . . . do not receive the benefits that 99 percent of the Canadian population take for granted, such as guaranteed, reliable and affordable electricity,” said Christopher Duschenes, Director, Centre for the North, The Conference Board of Canada. “They rely solely on locally generated electricity, which typically comes from diesel-powered generators. This limits the potential growth of these communities, results in high electricity costs and can have adverse environmental impacts.”
Power Shift: Electricity for Canada’s Remote Communities,
The Conference Board of Canada
Clean Energy for Rural and Remote Communities Program
When you compare the two maps and look at all the diesel fired orange circles in the lower one, and compare them to the number in the upper one found in the green, boreal forests - biomass (or wood for us reprobates) seems like a good starting point for a small population spread over a large area with lots of trees around them.
- Reaction score
- 8,305
- Points
- 1,160
Sorry for the drift. This all started because I wanted to emphasise that the first job of National Defence was the defence of Canada - and that most of Canada is a sparsely populated, native dominated area into which southerners seldom venture, and the vast majority of them have little interest in venturing. Despite that there are good reasons to invest in the north, in the natives and to prepare to actively defend the space.
I happen to think that the 1987 plan was one of the best at defining the northern requirements and prescribing a domestic defence solution that wouldn't break the bank (except for the nuclear subs which are a "should" not a "must").
The resulting three brigade regular force (based on deploying two infantry battalions per brigade and a separate light infantry battle group) with the independent CAR battle group as a fourth light infantry battle group, still makes sense to me. We just need the ability to transport 4 CMBG (-), or the CAST Bde, or at least AMF(L) in a timely fashion.
I happen to think that the 1987 plan was one of the best at defining the northern requirements and prescribing a domestic defence solution that wouldn't break the bank (except for the nuclear subs which are a "should" not a "must").
The resulting three brigade regular force (based on deploying two infantry battalions per brigade and a separate light infantry battle group) with the independent CAR battle group as a fourth light infantry battle group, still makes sense to me. We just need the ability to transport 4 CMBG (-), or the CAST Bde, or at least AMF(L) in a timely fashion.
Colin Parkinson
Army.ca Myth
- Reaction score
- 11,936
- Points
- 1,160
I worked closely with the individuals in the band that pushed this through, one of those projects that were a real win-win for everyone. Not every small community can do this, but the project was so successful that Yukon Energy asked them to expand their grid into the Yukon and BC Hydro pays them to provide power to Atlin. The profits after costs and maintenance gets plowed back into the community and BC Hydro saves money because it's not sending large quantities of diesel to the generators every week by truck. It also builds a sense of responsibility into the band and the people working at the plant. The Atlin hydro project – embodying First Nation principles - NS EnergyPropane | Clean American Energy
Propane is an environmentally friendly energy solution that is also affordable, reliable, and versatile. It's what makes propane the energy for everyone.
Or, for those living in the Boreal Forest - Biomass.
Electricity from woodchips and pellets - Säätötuli Canada
Produce electricity and heat with woodchips or pellets with the Finnish Volter small-scale Combined Heat and Power (CHP) units.
Come to that, it is probably safer, and cheaper to ship wood pellets (aka renewable biomass) down river from the Dene to the Inuit than it is to produce and ship propane.
Colin Parkinson
Army.ca Myth
- Reaction score
- 11,936
- Points
- 1,160
Official bits on SMR
Canada’s Small Modular Reactor Action Plan
Small Modular Reactors: the next wave of nuclear innovation
www.nrcan.gc.ca
Opposing view, one good point in this article is that the FN don't want to be the guinea pigs and I think it's a valid concern. So start with a remote but road connected non-FN community to build the first one and work the bugs out of it.
Is Canada betting big on small nuclear reactors? Here’s what you need to know | The Narwhal
