Informing the Army’s Future Structure

[FJAG]

No. A BN of 700 needs to be trained soldiers.

Nope. "Battalion" is a battalion regardless. "Trained" is merely an adjective.

So 100k (if all Army) might yield 80k trained, but you'll need a solid 10k or so to train and manage the pers production pipeline, so you have 70K to play with.

Al this speculation makes no sense until someone in government or at the highest level of the CAF and the CA explains what the outputs of these 100k primary reservists is supposed to be. Everything falls from that. How much it will cost. How much training they'll do. How much equipment they get. Everything!

Until that happens we're just all traipsing through speculative bullshit.

There is zero readiness if there is zero commitment in terms of a contractual/ financial obligation.

You get what you pay for, especially in the ARes world.

Bingo! And there's a world of a difference between a fully trained and equipped ABCT or MBCT or even an IBCT and just 5,000 guys that come out once a year in coveralls for five days to qualify on the rifle.

 

[GR66]

So, if the Light Battalions are being grouped separately in the new Light Regiment would it make sense for the 2nd and 3rd Battalions of the infantry regiments to swap locations so that 1, 2 and 5 Brigades of the Maneuver Division each have all their units in a single location (Edmonton/Petawawa/Valcartier) and the Light Regiment battalions in Shilo, Gagetown and Quebec?

 

[GR66]

Curious...will the Light Infantry Regiment have a deployable Brigade/Regimental HQ?

 

[Fabius]

Curious...will the Light Infantry Regiment have a deployable Brigade/Regimental HQ?

I don’t believe that’s part of the initial plan but it may become so over the course of time.

 

[GR66]

I don’t believe that’s part of the initial plan but it may become so over the course of time.

So, administratively will the individual Light Battalions still fall under the command of their existing Brigades? Become a Divisional asset under the Divisional commander?

 

[Fabius]

So, administratively will the individual Light Battalions still fall under the command of their existing Brigades? Become a Divisional asset under the Divisional commander?

The LiBs will be under the full command of the new formation HQ, however they will be force employed as either independent Bns or attached to another formation HQ either Cdn or allied.

The formation HQ in Canada will handle all force generation and will likely develop a growing role in force development for the CA’s light forces.
It will likely slowly develop into a Bde HQ capable of war fighting but that will take time and the establishment of Bde Echelon units which is not currently planned outside of a light engineer SQN that will attach to the Bns I believe.

Note that the Cdn Army will still be seeking for the foreseeable future to man 4 manouvre Bde HQs adding a fifth full war fighting capable manouvre Bde HQ is likely a bridge to far. As it is manning four manouvre Bde HQs is proving interesting I would argue.

 

[FJAG]

Note that the Cdn Army will still be seeking for the foreseeable future to man 4 manouvre Bde HQs adding a fifth full war fighting capable manouvre Bde HQ is likely a bridge to far. As it is manning four manouvre Bde HQs is proving interesting I would argue.

OMG. Is the army really that lame?

Leaving aside the light regiment and the rotational headquarters in Latvia, the "Manoeuvre Brigade" calls for six functioning brigade headquarters - 1, 2, 5 CMBG, the fires brigade, the protection brigade and the sustainment brigade. The Latvian organization should by all rights be a full-time brigade as well.

We're starting with three CMBGs and a mostly static 6 CCSB so its not a far stretch. IMHO, a division does not need a "protection brigade." Leave 6 CCSB as a static headquarters with just staff and no Sigs Regt and give the two SHORAD regiments to the fires brigade.

By my count there are already some 15,500 in that div counting just 1, 2, 5, fires, sustainment and the two SHORADs. Adding in the light regiment, and the rest of Protection/6 CCSB makes it an additional 5,300. That's just inviting constipation.

And don't get me started on a homeland division of 31,000.

 

[daftandbarmy]

OMG. Is the army really that lame?

Leaving aside the light regiment and the rotational headquarters in Latvia, the "Manoeuvre Brigade" calls for six functioning brigade headquarters - 1, 2, 5 CMBG, the fires brigade, the protection brigade and the sustainment brigade. The Latvian organization should by all rights be a full-time brigade as well.

We're starting with three CMBGs and a mostly static 6 CCSB so its not a far stretch. IMHO, a division does not need a "protection brigade." Leave 6 CCSB as a static headquarters with just staff and no Sigs Regt and give the two SHORAD regiments to the fires brigade.

By my count there are already some 15,500 in that div counting just 1, 2, 5, fires, sustainment and the two SHORADs. Adding in the light regiment, and the rest of Protection/6 CCSB makes it an additional 5,300. That's just inviting constipation.

And don't get me started on a homeland division of 31,000.

And then what happens when they have to move somewhere to do something, and eat and stuff like that

 

[FJAG]

And then what happens when they have to move somewhere to do something, and eat and stuff like that

The "protection/CCSB" brigade stays as just a force generator and sends whatever elements are needed by a deployed brigade or even a deployed division where they will be fed while the brigade headquarters stays at home, eats at Wendy's and starts training and generating more of whatever.