Informing the Army’s Future Structure

[Halifax Tar]

At sea? Pretty soon based on some stuff I've seen. On shore? No idea.

What do you for see ?

 

[Underway]

What do you for see ?

The new UAV plan. They've done some preliminary work in IDing UAV's that can transfer pallets between ships. Not needed right now as JSS is still to be introduced, but its on the board.

 

[Kirkhill]

Coming soon to a Light Battalion near you?

Thanks to Agreements with Norway, the United Kingdom Will Strengthen the Arctic Capabilities of Its Royal Marines

The United Kingdom and Norway have entered a new phase of military cooperation aimed at strengthening the defense of NATO’s northern flank, with a

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[PrairieFella]

Wantedto tee up and see if anyone is hearing anything interesting on the CAMO front. Been pretty quiet for a few months it seems. We have to be getting into thr brass tacks at this point several months down the road.

 

[markppcli]

Wantedto tee up and see if anyone is hearing anything interesting on the CAMO front. Been pretty quiet for a few months it seems. We have to be getting into thr brass tacks at this point several months down the road.

Arty Bns are standing down OP Btys in April, establishing ATGs, while the STA Btys will be in flux. In 1 RCHA C Bty will form the nucleus of or LRPF with NCOs and Officers going off on probably HIMARS course to form the cadre until 3 RCHA stands up and 1 moves to rockets.

 

[FJAG]

Arty Bns are standing down OP Btys in April, establishing ATGs, while the STA Btys will be in flux. In 1 RCHA C Bty will form the nucleus of or LRPF with NCOs and Officers going off on probably HIMARS course to form the cadre until 3 RCHA stands up and 1 moves to rockets.

I've been playing with my napkin army and long ago decided that the OP battery should be converted back to a gun battery. Tactical groups should just be a large troop inside the STA battery. In some ways FOOs are "sensors."

Good to see things are moving on HIMARS.

Incidentally saw this article in the Stag. Very interesting. It's a good idea to get gunner stuff up north for experience in doing the math up there. IMHO, the right weapon up there is HIMARS rapidly shuttled in by CC130 and out again.

Hercules and howitzers in High Arctic first time training | Shilo Stag News

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[markppcli]

I've been playing with my napkin army and long ago decided that the OP battery should be converted back to a gun battery. Tactical groups should just be a large troop inside the STA battery. In some ways FOOs are "sensors."

STA and OP troops will be part of the gun Bty. I largely differ in that I'd have the OPs in their supported units vs in the artillery regiments. The important relationship is more with the supported commander than with the gun CP who should be able to take anyone's data... if FATES wasn't ass. An OP battery is a reasonable compromise we're a bit unique in doing it the way we do.

Good to see things are moving on HIMARS.

Incidentally saw this article in the Stag. Very interesting. It's a good idea to get gunner stuff up north for experience in doing the math up there. IMHO, the right weapon up there is HIMARS rapidly shuttled in by CC130 and out again.

Yeah we'll see how it goes. They're going to shoot some illum just to say they did it. I anticipate some blown hydraulics lol.

 

[FJAG]

STA and OP troops will be part of the gun Bty.

Welcome back to my army.

I largely differ in that I'd have the OPs in their supported units vs in the artillery regiments.

The Americans go partly that way albeit the folks involved still belong to the brigade's arty regiment. I'm not sure how they'll handle it once they go to full div arty. My guess it will stay the same way with habitually associated arty battalions to manoeuvre brigades.

The important relationship is more with the supported commander than with the gun CP who should be able to take anyone's data... if FATES wasn't ass. An OP battery is a reasonable compromise we're a bit unique in doing it the way we do.

The issue is training. A battery with its own BC FSCC and FOOs can train by itself to level 4 and 5. It's also problematic when battalions are far away from the brigade, like 2 RCR and 2 PPCLI. One way or the other folks need to travel for exercises.

Yeah we'll see how it goes. They're going to shoot some illum just to say they did it. I anticipate some blown hydraulics lol.

It's a good signal and a way of figuring out what works and what doesn't (including hydraulics - grease, oils, nitrogen in recuperator cylinders - all that needs to be trialled)

Are there any physical signs of 3 RCHA standing back up yet? People? Office space? 3HA was my alma mater. I'd ended up in each of G, H and J batteries with G the longest.

 

[markppcli]

Welcome back to my army.

The Americans go partly that way albeit the folks involved still belong to the brigade's arty regiment. I'm not sure how they'll handle it once they go to full div arty. My guess it will stay the same way with habitually associated arty battalions to manoeuvre brigades.

Just about every NATO army but us has the FSO / FSTs organic to maneuver, we're weird outliers. The Brits have "tac batteries" that are all OPs. Just like how our fire discipline is unique - which sort of affected interoperability but i digress.

The issue is training. A battery with its own BC FSCC and FOOs can train by itself to level 4 and 5. It's also problematic when battalions are far away from the brigade, like 2 RCR and 2 PPCLI. One way or the other folks need to travel for exercises.

I mean in theory, but if youre not responding to a ma ever elements requests / requirements are you recalling training the FOO / BC? I ran into a Latvian friend of mine in Gagetown last week, hes doing our Arty Ops, and for him having to ensure supporting batteries send FSOs is so back wards, the Bns have their own FSOs by default.

It's a good signal and a way of figuring out what works and what doesn't (including hydraulics - grease, oils, nitrogen in recuperator cylinders - all that needs to be trialled)

Are there any physical signs of 3 RCHA standing back up yet? People? Office space? 3HA was my alma mater. I'd ended up in each of G, H and J batteries with G the longest.

Not yet. In all honesty we haven't gotten the systems yet so its fairly premature. Nothings being built in Shilo at this time either.

 

[FJAG]

Just about every NATO army but us has the FSO / FSTs organic to maneuver, we're weird outliers. The Brits have "tac batteries" that are all OPs. Just like how our fire discipline is unique - which sort of affected interoperability but i digress.

It gets back to our Brit heritage which was different from the European and American derivative of that. It's a peacetime/wartime thing. In peace you organize to simplify admin and training. In war its different. You won't see your FOOs and BC hardly ever, which is why we have BKs to command and run the gunline and echelons.

My biggest issue, and I'm not sure how to resolve it yet, is the integration of gun and rocket fires and loitering munitions. That's why I wonder about having FOOs as part of the "sensor" side of the world where arty is divided into: sensors; coordinators/controllers; and effector/launchers. I'm not forgetting the liaison/advice function FOO/BCs provide. To me, the STA battery is actually a forward element rather than a mostly ignored appendage. It needs better kit and a better purpose/

I mean in theory, but if youre not responding to a ma ever elements requests / requirements are you recalling training the FOO / BC? I ran into a Latvian friend of mine in Gagetown last week, hes doing our Arty Ops, and for him having to ensure supporting batteries send FSOs is so back wards, the Bns have their own FSOs by default.

One thing one should never forget is that the continental system (including the US) was built in the past on masses of conscripted, poorly trained personnel that put the dumb up front and the decision makers in the rear area. That went to the way they did arty with 2nd Lts as FOs and a major at the battalion FDC.

Not yet. In all honesty we haven't gotten the systems yet so its fairly premature. Nothings being built in Shilo at this time either.

 

[markppcli]

It gets back to our Brit heritage which was different from the European and American derivative of that. It's a peacetime/wartime thing. In peace you organize to simplify admin and training. In war its different. You won't see your FOOs and BC hardly ever, which is why we have BKs to command and run the gunline and echelons.

I think my issue stems from the idea that return to heritage in an inherently good thing, when instead the question should be what is our most efficient way to deliver fires. I see this at the unit where its more discussion of "how its supposed to be", when this is an excellent opportunity to examine how we could be doing things better.

My biggest issue, and I'm not sure how to resolve it yet, is the integration of gun and rocket fires and loitering munitions. That's why I wonder about having FOOs as part of the "sensor" side of the world where arty is divided into: sensors; coordinators/controllers; and effector/launchers. I'm not forgetting the liaison/advice function FOO/BCs provide. To me, the STA battery is actually a forward element rather than a mostly ignored appendage. It needs better kit and a better purpose/

Ill have to check the SharePoint docs but I think theres an STA running that troop and loitering munitions included into the BTY with the ATG. Lots of scope for the BC to cover.

One thing one should never forget is that the continental system (including the US) was built in the past on masses of conscripted, poorly trained personnel that put the dumb up front and the decision makers in the rear area. That went to the way they did arty with 2nd Lts as FOs and a major at the battalion FDC.

To be totally honest a lot of those former conscript / continental system using militaries are leaps and bounds ahead of us. Our success is inspite of our system vs because of it.

 

[Kirkhill]

If you are at the pointy end dealing with an inconvenient obstacle do you really care how it gets removed from your path?

Don't you just want to be able to phone a friend and make it go away?

Isn't that what JTAC is all about? Mortars, guns, howitzers; LAMs, OWADs UAVs; rockets or missiles, short range or ICBMs, cruise or ballistic, launched from trucks, silos, trains, ships, subs or pads; helicopters, fighters or bombers.

Is the PBI supposed to be able to speak all those languages?

Or should he just call up an engineer with a slab of C4?

 

[daftandbarmy]

I guess the CAF is safe

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