Interested in volunteering my time to Cadets - info?

[NL_engineer]

Try "Newfoundland cadet corps" (ask for "Canadian" sites only - so much less crap to wade through ...)

ah man ...

You guys are going to make me post them up aren't you ... (I should have written them down when I googled the other night). 

I found them, I did a quick search at lunch  : I can't help that the army doesn't. give a longer lunch break.

 

[BinRat55]

Don't be so sure that's the case ...

He happens to be RegF in Nfld ... actually supporting some of those cadet corps ... not all RCACC either ...

Thanks Vern - Good to see you back from down south - without having to post bail!!

To RWGILL: I directly support 42 cadet corps on the Island:  15 RCACC / 13 RCACC / 14 RCSCC - and volunteer with about 10 of these personally. I was unaware there was a "requirement" to have an affiliation, and if you could provide a reference to that effect I would definitely concede the issue, however if you would please reread my original post, I said "Not ALL cadet corps had affiliated units..." meaning Air, Army AND Sea. I'm not about to research the hundreds of corps across Canada, but I can tell you that my own corps does NOT have an affiliation - which makes my statement correct.

 

[gwp]

I was unaware there was a "requirement" to have an affiliation, and if you could provide a reference to that effect I would definitely concede the issue, however if you would please reread my original post, I said "Not ALL cadet corps had affiliated units..." meaning Air, Army AND Sea. I'm not about to research the hundreds of corps across Canada, but I can tell you that my own corps does NOT have an affiliation - which makes my statement correct.

It is like another discussion that was locked.  There are no absolutes here.
QR&O (Cadets)
2.25
(1) Where practical, the appropriate region commander shall request the CDS to affiliate a cadet corps with a unit of the Regular Force or of the Reserve Force.
(2) The unit with which a cadet corps is affiliated shall: a. appoint a LO and provide assistance as may be practical.
(3) The affiliation of a cadet corps with a unit shall not place upon that unit, nor upon any of its members, any financial responsibility for the activities of the cadet corps. 
2.26
(1) The local sponsor of a cadet corps may make application to the CDS through the appropriate region commander to change the affiliated unit of that cadet corps.  (Further subsections talk about mutual consent and justification)
CATO 11-10 amplifies those references.
http://www.cadets.ca/_docs/cato-oaic/1110_b.pdf

 

[the 48th regulator]

Here is a gentle warning, yet again.

Keep your comments at a respectable level, and leave the snide remarks and insults out of this thread folks.

Otherwise, another one for the glue factory.

dileas

tess

milnet.ca staff

 

[BinRat55]

It is like another discussion that was locked.  There are no absolutes here.
QR&O (Cadets)
2.25
(1) Where practical, the appropriate region commander shall request the CDS to affiliate a cadet corps with a unit of the Regular Force or of the Reserve Force.
(2) The unit with which a cadet corps is affiliated shall: a. appoint a LO and provide assistance as may be practical.
(3) The affiliation of a cadet corps with a unit shall not place upon that unit, nor upon any of its members, any financial responsibility for the activities of the cadet corps. 
2.26
(1) The local sponsor of a cadet corps may make application to the CDS through the appropriate region commander to change the affiliated unit of that cadet corps.  (Further subsections talk about mutual consent and justification)
CATO 11-10 amplifies those references.
http://www.cadets.ca/_docs/cato-oaic/1110_b.pdf

Sounds like affiliation and supporting base could be one in the same...

 

[Neill McKay]

Sounds like affiliation and supporting base could be one in the same...

Not necessarily, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were in some, or perhaps many, cases.  (Of the sea cadet units in my area, those that are named after currently-serving ships are affiliated with their ships and the rest are affiliated with with the local Naval Reserve unit, but the nearest CFB is the supporting base for all of them.)

 

[rwgill]

Sounds like affiliation and supporting base could be one in the same...

Absolutely correct!  and Neill is correct as well.

The badge worn by the cadets (in the case of army) and that of the affiliated unit do not have to be the same either.  Very confusing isn't it?!?

 

[BinRat55]

See? Now we're making some progress - not all cadet corps (army, air & sea) have affiliated units - some just have supporting bases.

 

[rwgill]

See? Now we're making some progress - not all cadet corps (army, air & sea) have affiliated units - some just have supporting bases.

Yes and no.  Trying to compare affiliations between the elements is extemely difficult.  Even within an element it appears to be difficult.

Now please understand that I mean no disrespect here, but I have to ask:  Are you coming to this conclusion based on support issues of Cadet Units?  I am wondering because I have had run into issues before with Support Base vs. Affiliated Unit responsibilities.

 

[BinRat55]

Yes and no.  Trying to compare affiliations between the elements is extemely difficult.  Even within an element it appears to be difficult.

Now please understand that I mean no disrespect here, but I have to ask:  Are you coming to this conclusion based on support issues of Cadet Units?  I am wondering because I have had run into issues before with Support Base vs. Affiliated Unit responsibilities.

Great Caesar's Ghost!!! If I could find the little icon with the smiley banging his head against a brick wall, i'd definitely use it here.

RWGILL - No disrespect taken, but you have to get your head outta your #$@ and READ MY POSTS. I promise you, there's nothing more to them than exactly what you are reading. My original statement, which I have never deviated from, maintains that "SOME CADET CORPS HAVE NO AFFILIATED UNITS - BUT ALL HAVE SUPPORTING BASES"

Will a mod somewhere PLEASE put me out of my misery here?

 

[rwgill]

Going back to your original post, which started this side tracked conversation, you said

Not all cadet cadet corps has an affiliated unit - in fact, unit affiliation is almost impossible here in NL.

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/78740/post-744935.html#msg744935

This statement is in fact false.  Unit affiliation is dependant on the respective QR&O (Cadets) and the CATOs.  Unit affiliation takes on many different meanings.

As it has been mentioned before, “affiliation” is difficult thing to answer definitively.  Like it or not, that is how things are.  It’s not always clear, cut and dry.

I would have been willing to discuss this with you, but it seems that this discussion has lost any civility.  You are always free to move on.

 

[gwp]

Here is the complete information that was not available earlier. 

Effective August 2008. all adults working with cadets  - CF members (regardless of component/sub-component) Civilian Instructors and civilian volunteers must have Police Records Check PRC and Vulnerable Sector Screening VSS approved in advance of employment or volunteering.  See para 4-10 in Policy.

http://www.cadets.ca/_docs/cato-oaic/2304_b.pdf

Entire document with annexes.  NOTE The title is changed to "Canadian Cadet Organizations Adult Screening Policy"

http://www.cadets.ca/support/cato-oaic/intro_e.asp?cato=23-04

 

[aesop081]

Correct me if i am wrong but didnt you make that point abundantly clear in a cadet related pissing match already ?

 

[Michael OLeary]

Here it is:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/78740/post-744036.html#msg744036

Better get the form and make a visit to your local PD.
GENERAL
1. This annex will specify the level of screening required for adults working in the CCO. Adults working with cadets come from a number of sources. The following paragraphs identify those sources and the level of screening required depending on the adult’s duties and level of responsibility.

CADET INSTRUCTORS CADRE (CIC)

2. All members of the CIC, regardless of where they serve, shall complete the VSS screening process.

CADET CORPS & SQUADRONS

3. All adults working with a Corps / Squadron, regardless of how often they attend, shall complete the PRC/VSS screening process.

CADET SUMMER TRAINING CENTRES (CSTC)

4. In addition to members of the CIC, all adults working in a position where they have direct contact with, or will be supervising cadets, shall complete the screening process.

gwp, I suggest that you start using the Search page.

 

[rwgill]

Here is the complete information that was not available earlier. 

Glad to see that we finally have something that is extremely clear and makes no exceptions.

 

[tumbling_dice]

CHIEF MILITARY PERSONNEL INSTRUCTION 20/04
2.11  P Res and Supp Res Mbrs - Res Svc with Cadet Organizations
a.  A mbr of the P Res, or a mbr att from the Supp Res, who is serving with the CIC is subject to the conditions under CFAO 49-6, Annex A;
b.  A mbr of the P Res or a mbr att from the Supp Res serving on Cl “A” Res Svc in support of  Cadet related activities, are still required to sign a Res F Basic Attendance Register (CF 895). This service must be authorized by the P Res CO for a mbr of the P Res, with concurrence from the Cadet CO, and by the Host Unit CO for a mbr of the Supp Res.  Cadet Region Commander authority is required when the service is funded by the Cadet organization.  The appropriate fin coding shall be provided to the P Res unit or the Host Unit of the Supp Res mbr through the appropriate chain of command.


Does this mean you can be employed as a reservist and CIC? I've never heard of this...

 

[gwp]

CHIEF MILITARY PERSONNEL INSTRUCTION 20/04
2.11  P Res and Supp Res Mbrs - Res Svc with Cadet Organizations
a.   A mbr of the P Res, or a mbr att from the Supp Res, who is serving with the CIC is subject to the conditions under CFAO 49-6, Annex A;
b.   A mbr of the P Res or a mbr att from the Supp Res serving on Cl “A” Res Svc in support of  Cadet related activities, are still required to sign a Res F Basic Attendance Register (CF 895). This service must be authorized by the P Res CO for a mbr of the P Res, with concurrence from the Cadet CO, and by the Host Unit CO for a mbr of the Supp Res.  Cadet Region Commander authority is required when the service is funded by the Cadet organization.  The appropriate fin coding shall be provided to the P Res unit or the Host Unit of the Supp Res mbr through the appropriate chain of command.

Does this mean you can be employed as a reservist and CIC? I've never heard of this...

It allows that members of the Primary Reserve and those on the Supplementary Reserve List to be employed in the Cadet Organizations.  In addition to the requirements above all CF members in employed in direct support of cadets must also get a Vulnerable Sector Screening Clearance from the Police Department where they live.

See para 8
http://cadets.ca/_docs/cato-oaic/2304_b.pdf

P Res members may parade with their unit and a cadet corps/squadron. That does not mean they are CIC as well.

CF members of the CIC are reservists and are employed in support of the cadet organizations.  With the approval of DCdts they may be employed outside of the cadet organization. 

 

[tumbling_dice]

It allows that members of the Primary Reserve and those on the Supplementary Reserve List to be employed in the Cadet Organizations.  In addition to the requirements above all CF members in employed in direct support of cadets must also get a Vulnerable Sector Screening Clearance from the Police Department where they live.

See para 8
http://cadets.ca/_docs/cato-oaic/2304_b.pdf

P Res members may parade with their unit and a cadet corps/squadron. That does not mean they are CIC as well.

CF members of the CIC are reservists and are employed in support of the cadet organizations.  With the approval of DCdts they may be employed outside of the cadet organization. 

Would these PRes members employed by cadets be able to take CIC courses (ie. if you corps needs an RSO or UHRA could you take the applicable courses?) If so, could you also take these courses if you were a volunteer and not employed.

 

[gwp]

Would these PRes members employed by cadets be able to take CIC courses (ie. if you corps needs an RSO or UHRA could you take the applicable courses?) If so, could you also take these courses if you were a volunteer and not employed.

Generally, no.  PRes and SupR pers are employed in the cadet program with the skills they bring .. i.e your PRes RSO qualification or admin quals.  There is no requirement for UHRA training in the PRes.  That is not to say a special request based on need would not be endorsed by the CO  of the relevant RCSU.