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The way I took it was, given the high altitude release point and the fact that he seemed to be talking about a cargo of 20 submunitions weighing 2.5 kg apiece, then it seemed unlikely that 8 km was the blast radius.

It seemed more likely that he was effectively talking about scattering 20 unguided light to medium mortar rounds over a circle with an 8 km radius. That would be a 200 km2 circle with 20 mortar bombs in it. Militarily ineffective I would think.
Blast radius being in the above, being the area of dispersion.

20 submunitions in a 8km wide circle.

It is a terror weapon, nothing more. Some of variants have a fragmentation payload, others an incendiary.
 
Blast radius being in the above, being the area of dispersion.

20 submunitions in a 8km wide circle.

It is a terror weapon, nothing more. Some of variants have a fragmentation payload, others an incendiary.

Agree on the principle but a disagreement on a point of pedantry. He said a blast radius of 8 km or 5 miles. The distance is from the centre of the explosion or the dispersion to the edge.

8 km wide would mean a diameter of 8 km or 5 miles.

The difference is a factor of 4.

If 8 km is the radius then the area is about 200 km2 or 200 grid squares.
If 8 km is the diameter then the area is about 50 km2 or 50 grid squares.

Either way, 20 mortar rounds in 50 or 200 grid squares, they are going to need to pump an awful lot of rockets into that target area to have any kind of militarily useful effect.

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Agree on the principle but a disagreement on a point of pedantry. He said a blast radius of 8 km or 5 miles. The distance is from the centre of the explosion or the dispersion to the edge.

8 km wide would mean a diameter of 8 km or 5 miles.

The difference is a factor of 4.

If 8 km is the radius then the area is about 200 km2 or 200 grid squares.
If 8 km is the diameter then the area is about 50 km2 or 50 grid squares.

Either way, 20 mortar rounds in 50 or 200 grid squares, they are going to need to pump an awful lot of rockets into that target area to have any kind of militarily useful effect.

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Except that specific missile only covers an area less than 10SQKM . Don't get caught up on the term he is used -- just accept the physical specifics. It is a efficient system - as it requires a Anti-Missile Missile to intercept it before payload release, and those are expensive - and it is awkward for the Phalanx type guns to engage as you need a bunch of them to cover the area - and it will release it's submunitions before it gets into range - which makes for a lot more targets.

The effect is to drain AMM's and sow fear into a population -- in this respect it seems to have an opposite effect, and just passing everyone off that. The question remains on how many AMM's have been drained - and is Iran able to continue to deplete stocks. As well as how others are seeing this - as opportunity or cause for pause.

Iran (and others) have larger unitary warheads - those landing in population sites would cause a lot more casualties -- however as they are a one piece - they only need one interception.
 
Except that specific missile only covers an area less than 10SQKM . Don't get caught up on the term he is used -- just accept the physical specifics. It is a efficient system - as it requires a Anti-Missile Missile to intercept it before payload release, and those are expensive - and it is awkward for the Phalanx type guns to engage as you need a bunch of them to cover the area - and it will release it's submunitions before it gets into range - which makes for a lot more targets.

The effect is to drain AMM's and sow fear into a population -- in this respect it seems to have an opposite effect, and just passing everyone off that. The question remains on how many AMM's have been drained - and is Iran able to continue to deplete stocks. As well as how others are seeing this - as opportunity or cause for pause.

Iran (and others) have larger unitary warheads - those landing in population sites would cause a lot more casualties -- however as they are a one piece - they only need one interception.

I will accept the physics.

In which case I will be forced to question the data input.
 
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