Iran Super Thread- Merged

[Czech_pivo]

I'm beginning to think that the best thing that could happen is the US just tear off the band-aid and pull out of NATO. Force the Europeans to make the tough decisions and investments required to fully take control of European defence and at the same time the US can stop complaining if NATO nations don't tow the line on American unilateral policy decisions.

Hmmm, a rather see the law of averages play itself out on an over weight, poorly nutritioned, inactive 79yr old.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Ok, and then what? Which countries should the inevitable refugees go to? Iraq? Turkey (and then on to Europe), the Gulf States? Pakistan, maybe Azerbaijan or Armenia?

hardcore regime types might have to flee to Afghanistan for bit. But not the country of choice. They be limited where they can go. I suspect Russia would invite them in and then draft them into the army.....

Non-Regime Iranians would go to countries where there is a big diaspora already. To be frank, they would be the refugees that you want. They have a desire to work, make money and set up businesses, some will have access to cash to start those businesses and will hire other refugees. North Vancouver is already 21% Persian.

 

[PrairieFella]

I'm beginning to think that the best thing that could happen is the US just tear off the band-aid and pull out of NATO. Force the Europeans to make the tough decisions and investments required to fully take control of European defence and at the same time the US can stop complaining if NATO nations don't tow the line on American unilateral policy decisions.

No shot getting out of NATO passes Congress or the Senate. Total nothingburger based on a deliberate misunderstanding of what NATO is.

 

[PrairieFella]

It’s a given that when countries in the Middle East (Iran, Iraq, Yemen) are attacked, they throw missiles at anyone friendly to the attacker that can be reached.

My hot take is UAE and Saudi deserve any instability and in a just world both regimes are overthrown ans relegated tk the dustbins of history. You want to take about state sponsors of terrorism? These guys are top of the list. Theyre also slavers. Disgusting.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Strange that your side was warning everyone that Obama and Harris would do exactky that and that it would be a bad thing.

How things change…

Obama did a crap job, both on Iran and Ukraine. Had Obama responded forcefully to Crimea, you would not have had the 2022 invasion. Obama kept redrawing the lines in the sand for Iran and made them confident they could push and play him.

Not that I think Trump is great either.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

My hot take is UAE and Saudi deserve any instability and in a just world both regimes are overthrown ans relegated tk the dustbins of history. You want to take about state sponsors of terrorism? These guys are top of the list. Theyre also slavers. Disgusting.

UAE was looking like a force for stability for awhile and now they are supporting the RSF in Sudan that just wiped out some 100,000 civilians, like WTF?

 

[PrairieFella]

UAE was looking like a force for stability for awhile and now they are supporting the RSF in Sudan that just wiped out some 100,000 civilians, like WTF?

Exactly. Most of the RSF's weapons and financing comes from UAE. They actively fund ethnic cleansing as it serves their economic interest. To Hell with them.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

A reminder of how the IRGC directly affects Canada

A Death In The Diaspora

About the events that led to the murder of a very strange man

therealstory.substack.com

 

[lenaitch]

Fully expect there to be a swath of people who plan to try and harm the current administration enough to lose in the mid-terms and it will be sensationalized by the corrupt media establishment. That is the primary objective of the never-Trumpers, Dems, and large potion of the MSM, no matter the topic.

To come out and say Iran is no threat to the US is about as laughable as it gets. Iran since about 1979 has always been a threat to the US and every other western nation as well.

Are you saying Kent was some kind of Republican manchurian candidate released to lead the charge against the Administration?

 

[lenaitch]

Posted recently by Lindsay Graham:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2033924181763481974

Posted by Trump in the past two hours:

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Trump seems to be starting to crash out at the chickens coming home to roost on America’s belligerent self-isolation.

Trump fundamentally fails to understand what NATO is and isn’t, and I think he’s gonna make his ignorance on its scope, geography, and purpose everybody else’s problem.

It was all just a test of their 'loyalty'. Apparently.

'NATO' is a one way street - they will do nothing for us, particularly in a time of need'. I seem to remember a time, a few years ago, in late summer . . .

*****

'They weren't supposed to do that'.

Doncha hate it when the enemy does something they weren't supposed to do?

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[PrairieFella]

It was all just a test of their 'loyalty'. Apparently.

'NATO' is a one way street - they will do nothing for us, particularly in a time of need'. I seem to remember a time, a few years ago, in late summer . . .

*****

'They weren't supposed to do that'.

Doncha hate it when the enemy does something they weren't supposed to do?

Google Search

Its ironic its coming from the only country to ever invoke Art. 5. One way street eh?

 

[The Bread Guy]

... A far cry from the first post on this thread:

To be fair, IRN's info-machine STILL says they're winning - from some RSS feeds

 

[GR66]

No shot getting out of NATO passes Congress or the Senate. Total nothingburger based on a deliberate misunderstanding of what NATO is.

The US wouldn't have to officially exit NATO...Trump could just pack up all his toys in Europe and go home.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The US wouldn't have to officially exit NATO...Trump could just pack up all his toys in Europe and go home.

Good luck to that.
He’s got November coming at him like a freight train.

 

[Quirky]

Only assuming that the countries they are flying over to reach Iran continue to allow them access.
It’s in complete violation of the sovereignty of those countries if Israel continues to do without their express permission.
Or, do you suggest that Israel violate international law in order to achieve this?

Israel - "Don't like it, do something about it".

 

[Brad Sallows]

This guy that quit is no peach either.

He's a bit of a hero today to some people opposed to Trump, though, even if they despised him when he was confirmed. Conversely, some who approved during his confirmation disapprove now.

Reminiscent of Andrew Cuomo: hero to his "side" when his policies contrasted with Trump and DeSantis during COVID; goat when COVID was over and they remembered his character flaws.

Perception often depends on which way the political advantage is thought to flow.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Or, do you suggest that Israel violate international law in order to achieve this?

Whatever anyone might suggest, Israel probably doesn't think international law supercedes all other factors. For example, if I were Israeli, everything rooted in the UN, which has the institutional flaw of almost always managing to stack itself against Israel, would be a nullity to me. And that would be before thinking about military necessity.

 

[Brad Sallows]

No shot getting out of NATO passes Congress or the Senate. Total nothingburger based on a deliberate misunderstanding of what NATO is.

Although the Senate has ratification power, the constitutional doesn't really cover withdrawal power and constitutional authority for a president to pull out of a treaty (including NATO) is still an unsettled question. Mostly it seems (and opinions support) leaning "no", but not enough that it should be relied upon.

 

[PrairieFella]

Whatever anyone might suggest, Israel probably doesn't think international law supercedes all other factors. For example, if I were Israeli, everything rooted in the UN, which has the institutional flaw of almost always managing to stack itself against Israel, would be a nullity to me. And that would be before thinking about military necessity.

Just be ready to accept the consequences of The Hague in doing so.

 

[Jarnhamar]

It is MineSweeper...

What a diabolical place to hide a virus!