HavokFour
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They really might be entirely alone if they decide to put boots in Iran. The Kurds don't want to go round 4 (?) with being left holding the bag.
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Well sure. Why would the Kurds want to get screwed over and left hanging again? If the regime collapses I’m sure they’ll happily fight to carve out their territory, but why would they take the risk of kicking things off at the behest of an unreliable partner that cannot be trusted to pull them out of a bad spot?
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In a way it was both but not quite the way you put forward.
The targeting cycle for air strikes is a fairly exact process. The results are more than likely one of the following two situations:
1) a target close to the school was the intended target but there was a technical glitch (mechanical or data entry) that caused the bomb to go "off target;" or
2) the school was the target to be hit but an intelligence failure caused the targeting team to evaluate the school as still being a part of the adjacent base without knowing that it had been turned into a school.
From the material in the press to this point, my guess is that it will turn out to be the latter.
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Not just that girls school, but those bombs dropped on their universities too. Again the US and Israel are making the propaganda for them.
Consequences.
In a way it was both but not quite the way you put forward.
The targeting cycle for air strikes is a fairly exact process. The results are more than likely one of the following two situations:
1) a target close to the school was the intended target but there was a technical glitch (mechanical or data entry) that caused the bomb to go "off target;" or
2) the school was the target to be hit but an intelligence failure caused the targeting team to evaluate the school as still being a part of the adjacent base without knowing that it had been turned into a school.
From the material in the press to this point, my guess is that it will turn out to be the latter.
Mistakes happen in war. Even the Iranian people will understand that. It's the absolute lack of contrition and all the other messaging that routinely makes it sound like they are at war with the Iranian people not just the regime that is the problem.
Also, there's a disturbing pattern here where Trump disavows a certain target set and then Israel bombs it. Makes it look like Israel is the lead partner. Not the US.
The university bombed was part of their nuclear program.
Trump screwed them over last term. In Syria. And then let the Turks run them over. Why would they trust him now?
And of course once it leaked.....
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I'm guessing that Melania still has him sleeping in the guest bedroom.....
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“The United States of America is in serious discussions with A NEW, AND MORE REASONABLE, REGIME to end our Military Operations in Iran,” he said in a post on Truth Social on Monday morning.
if the Hormuz Strait is not immediately “Open for Business,” we will conclude our lovely “stay” in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil Wells and Kharg Island (and possibly all desalinization plants!), which we have purposefully not yet “touched.”
If the US deliberately 'blows' up their desalinization plants, would that constitute a 'war crime' under the current definitions? Would that include blowing up their electric generating plants? Also, by blowing up their oil and gas facilities, I believe that this would effectively push the world economy into a dead recession lasting 2026 and into the first half of 2027. Given that Qatar has had 17% of its Nat Gas production knocked out for 3-5yrs, adding whatever Nat Gas production that Iran produces to the Qatari losses would only compound this issue. Lastly, if this sort of thing occurs and if the Iranians in turn are able to knock out additional UAE, Kuwaiti, Saudi, Bahrain or Qatari oil/gas facilities, this may only serve to strengthen Canada's hand in the ongoing CUSMA discussions, which not a word has been mentioned over the last 3+ weeks.
Trump says U.S. will destroy Iran’s oil wells, Kharg Island without deal to 'immediately' reopen Hormuz Strait
Donald Trump warned the U.S. will completely obliterate all of Iran's electric generating plants, oil wells and Kharg Island if a peace deal is not reached.
www.cnbc.com
“The United States of America is in serious discussions with A NEW, AND MORE REASONABLE, REGIME to end our Military Operations in Iran,” he said in a post on Truth Social on Monday morning.
if the Hormuz Strait is not immediately “Open for Business,” we will conclude our lovely “stay” in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil Wells and Kharg Island (and possibly all desalinization plants!), which we have purposefully not yet “touched.”
If the US deliberately 'blows' up their desalinization plants, would that constitute a 'war crime' under the current definitions? Would that include blowing up their electric generating plants? Also, by blowing up their oil and gas facilities, I believe that this would effectively push the world economy into a dead recession lasting 2026 and into the first half of 2027. Given that Qatar has had 17% of its Nat Gas production knocked out for 3-5yrs, adding whatever Nat Gas production that Iran produces to the Qatari losses would only compound this issue. Lastly, if this sort of thing occurs and if the Iranians in turn are able to knock out additional UAE, Kuwaiti, Saudi, Bahrain or Qatari oil/gas facilities, this may only serve to strengthen Canada's hand in the ongoing CUSMA discussions, which not a word has been mentioned over the last 3+ weeks.
I'm guessing that Melania still has him sleeping in the guest bedroom.....
Trump says U.S. will destroy Iran’s oil wells, Kharg Island without deal to 'immediately' reopen Hormuz Strait
Donald Trump warned the U.S. will completely obliterate all of Iran's electric generating plants, oil wells and Kharg Island if a peace deal is not reached.
“The United States of America is in serious discussions with A NEW, AND MORE REASONABLE, REGIME to end our Military Operations in Iran,” he said in a post on Truth Social on Monday morning.
if the Hormuz Strait is not immediately “Open for Business,” we will conclude our lovely “stay” in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil Wells and Kharg Island (and possibly all desalinization plants!), which we have purposefully not yet “touched.”
If the US deliberately 'blows' up their desalinization plants, would that constitute a 'war crime' under the current definitions? Would that include blowing up their electric generating plants? Also, by blowing up their oil and gas facilities, I believe that this would effectively push the world economy into a dead recession lasting 2026 and into the first half of 2027. Given that Qatar has had 17% of its Nat Gas production knocked out for 3-5yrs, adding whatever Nat Gas production that Iran produces to the Qatari losses would only compound this issue. Lastly, if this sort of thing occurs and if the Iranians in turn are able to knock out additional UAE, Kuwaiti, Saudi, Bahrain or Qatari oil/gas facilities, this may only serve to strengthen Canada's hand in the ongoing CUSMA discussions, which not a word has been mentioned over the last 3+ weeks.
Yeah he’s threatening some pretty explicit war crimes / crimes against humanity there. There’s absolutely no way strikes against desalination plants could be defended as necessary, discriminated, or proportionate. As numb as I am to his threats and bluster at this point, this breaks through as monstrous.
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Monstrous but unsurprising.
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No surprise that the Kurds want no part of it. The surprise would be if they trusted the US again.
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It's only a war crime if you lose, or someone else has the power to hold you to account.
Who is powerful enough to hold America to account, and is also interested in preventing war crimes? I don't think the American people care about war crimes all that much, as it's been more than 150 years since the last major war on their soil.
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Oldgateboatdriver
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At this point I think that the Trump administration is almost praying for some sort of mass causality event to occur on US soil that can be directly (or made to look directly) tied back to Iran in order to gain a majority approval rating among the US public and allow them to do whatever they want in Iran going forward.
Meh. I take it as an interesting sign. He always blusters the most before tapping out.
And now what markets are becoming immune to his Monday morning manipulation, the language is getting more desperate.
Fair point. And it's definitely debatable as a target. This one was more than just a standard physics program though. It's like saying Stanford is just a regular school and not the tech centre of the USIC or that MIT is not central to the US Nuclear navy.
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And you can't bomb away the knowledge needed to create a nuclear weapon, but maybe they think they can...
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Neither of which would justify bombing Stanford or MIT into non-existence.
There is also an Elephant in the Room issue here: You cannot "terminate" Iran's nuclear bomb program without getting rid of the basic source: their civilian nuclear power plants. but who wants to bomb an active nuclear reactor considering the risks associated with such action? That would certainly set the various surrounding countries against the US.
Free I&W at this point.
