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Iran Super Thread- Merged

Coupled with the USAF senior leaders never having to really face enemy fire on their bases since Vietnam and thinking it won't happen to them....
It occurred to me earlier that in this war - US has at least 16 KIA and at least 400 WIA so far - the casualties will predominately be non-combat trades. Bit of a change from what we were accustomed to in GWOT.
 
Standing out during a missile attack? What a complete dumbass.
Are there bunkers there? I remember a lot of combat troops who started poker games in the compound during rocket attacks on KAF in the months before there were bunkers anywhere near where the BG slept.
 
You need one of three things

High intercept rate at highcost , low intercept rate at low cost, high intercept rate at low cost. Any of these will do.

But you cannot have low intercept rates at high costs.

And more importantly than that, you need to just flat out HAVE interceptors. It doesn't matter if the patriot was the best AD system in the world, if Iran fires more drones and missiles than there are patriots.

Unless the patriot or whatever AD system is used, can be mass produced quickly, it bodes ill for western militaries. Iran, (IRAN) single handedly drew down the stockpiles of the gulf nations and the USA over 6 weeks. The USA has used years worth of production in 2 months of fighting. They are running into the same issues the Russians are having versus Ukraine, they now need to draw in AD for other regions opening more and more strategic vulnerabilities.

Imagine if China kicks something off in Taiwan right now. Imagine what they could do if Iran was able to bleed US AD dry over 2 months. Brutal.
 
You need one of three things

High intercept rate at highcost , low intercept rate at low cost, high intercept rate at low cost. Any of these will do.

But you cannot have low intercept rates at high costs.

And more importantly than that, you need to just flat out HAVE interceptors. It doesn't matter if the patriot was the best AD system in the world, if Iran fires more drones and missiles than there are patriots.

Unless the patriot or whatever AD system is used, can be mass produced quickly, it bodes ill for western militaries. Iran, (IRAN) single handedly drew down the stockpiles of the gulf nations and the USA over 6 weeks. The USA has used years worth of production in 2 months of fighting. They are running into the same issues the Russians are having versus Ukraine, they now need to draw in AD for other regions opening more and more strategic vulnerabilities.

Imagine if China kicks something off in Taiwan right now. Imagine what they could do if Iran was able to bleed US AD dry over 2 months. Brutal.
Devils advocate - but this is the plan!
 
You need one of three things

High intercept rate at highcost , low intercept rate at low cost, high intercept rate at low cost. Any of these will do.

But you cannot have low intercept rates at high costs.

And more importantly than that, you need to just flat out HAVE interceptors. It doesn't matter if the patriot was the best AD system in the world, if Iran fires more drones and missiles than there are patriots.

Unless the patriot or whatever AD system is used, can be mass produced quickly, it bodes ill for western militaries. Iran, (IRAN) single handedly drew down the stockpiles of the gulf nations and the USA over 6 weeks. The USA has used years worth of production in 2 months of fighting. They are running into the same issues the Russians are having versus Ukraine, they now need to draw in AD for other regions opening more and more strategic vulnerabilities.

Imagine if China kicks something off in Taiwan right now. Imagine what they could do if Iran was able to bleed US AD dry over 2 months. Brutal.
AD/C-UAS needs be be a multilayer network.
Patriot has a few different interceptor options, depending on threat. But it is just part of the theatre network. From longer range/higher altitude interceptions to shorter range and altitude missiles, as well as DE, Cannon, and other systems.

Only using one system will leave serious holes (and I am not saying that has occurred), but based on a lot of OS footage there seems to be some gaps in systems for whatever reason, as well as the Patriot’s in Jordan seem to be loaded for a different type of threat.

While it is OS that a number of interceptor options have been pushed into accelerated production at rates 5-10x previous, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand the drawdown gap that @Altair has mentioned above.

Generally one tends to go into a conflict with these sort of things setup, and maybe a coalition too.
 
"I had to make the strategic decision to withdraw my promise to defend Taiwan because I wasted all my interceptors on Iran. Oops."
You forgot to add all the winning he would be doing with this decision.

Same way he's won versus Iran around 20 times now.
 
You need one of three things

High intercept rate at highcost , low intercept rate at low cost, high intercept rate at low cost. Any of these will do.

But you cannot have low intercept rates at high costs.

And more importantly than that, you need to just flat out HAVE interceptors. It doesn't matter if the patriot was the best AD system in the world, if Iran fires more drones and missiles than there are patriots.

Unless the patriot or whatever AD system is used, can be mass produced quickly, it bodes ill for western militaries. Iran, (IRAN) single handedly drew down the stockpiles of the gulf nations and the USA over 6 weeks. The USA has used years worth of production in 2 months of fighting. They are running into the same issues the Russians are having versus Ukraine, they now need to draw in AD for other regions opening more and more strategic vulnerabilities.

Imagine if China kicks something off in Taiwan right now. Imagine what they could do if Iran was able to bleed US AD dry over 2 months. Brutal.
Guns lots of A/D guns Cheap and easy compared to missiles.
 
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