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[PuckChaser]

Or after years of soft, cushy deployments, the ship crews are completely unprepared for major combat operations and the hardship that comes with them which is a USN leadership not political problem. Expecting 0 mental health issues on a 9 month deployment shows me the folks that have never deployed for that period of time before without a break.

 

[YZT580]

Apparently mental health issues are just health issues and what they really need to do is exercise more. ...
That supposedly is what one ships crew in the Gulf was told by a senior CentCom officer.
Floggings will continue until morale improves.
I'm starting to wonder if tone deaf somehow, became part of the job description.

and those poor bastards volunteered. I wonder how many will re-muster when their time is up

 

[Nvlgzr]

Apparently mental health issues are just health issues and what they really need to do is exercise more. ...
That supposedly is what one ships crew in the Gulf was told by a senior CentCom officer.
Floggings will continue until morale improves.
I'm starting to wonder if tone deaf somehow, became part of the job description.

Pete needs to go on a long deployment to show them how ‘real men’ do it.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Or after years of soft, cushy deployments, the ship crews are completely unprepared for major combat operations and the hardship that comes with them which is a USN leadership not political problem. Expecting 0 mental health issues on a 9 month deployment shows me the folks that have never deployed for that period of time before without a break.

Welcome to the Suck

“We came to realise - first with astonishment, then bitterness, and finally with indifference - that intellect apparently wasn't the most important thing...not ideas, but the system; not freedom, but drill. We had joined up with enthusiasm and with good will; but they did everything to knock that out of us.”

― Erich Maria Remarque

 

[Eaglelord17]

Or after years of soft, cushy deployments, the ship crews are completely unprepared for major combat operations and the hardship that comes with them which is a USN leadership not political problem. Expecting 0 mental health issues on a 9 month deployment shows me the folks that have never deployed for that period of time before without a break.

Or this is a exceptional circumstance which is novel in both length and potential stresses on it’s crew.

They have done 241 days purely at sea in a row with no port visits, most of them in a active warzone. The previous record for days at sea without a port visit for a US carrier was 206 days, not in any warzone, so this is shattering that record by over a month.

On top of that they have had major logical issues resulting in extreme rationing at various points, which is exceptionally miserable.

There is hardship and then there is pushing people past their breaking point. Army units even in active combat are rotated out of the frontlines for breaks periodically as you can’t just keep pushing people and expecting them not to break.

Saying this is just because of being used to ‘soft cushy deployments’ does a disservice to those service members.

 

[Gordon Dundas/]

Or this is a exceptional circumstance which is novel in both length and potential stresses on it’s crew.

They have done 241 days purely at sea in a row with no port visits, most of them in a active warzone. The previous record for days at sea without a port visit for a US carrier was 206 days, not in any warzone, so this is shattering that record by over a month.

On top of that they have had major logical issues resulting in extreme rationing at various points, which is exceptionally miserable.

There is hardship and then there is pushing people past their breaking point. Army units even in active combat are rotated out of the frontlines for breaks periodically as you can’t just keep pushing people and expecting them not to break.

Saying this is just because of being used to ‘soft cushy deployments’ does a disservice to those service members.

Well said.

 

[PuckChaser]

Or this is a exceptional circumstance which is novel in both length and potential stresses on it’s crew.

They have done 241 days purely at sea in a row with no port visits, most of them in a active warzone. The previous record for days at sea without a port visit for a US carrier was 206 days, not in any warzone, so this is shattering that record by over a month.

Yes, that's an exceptional circumstance. Expecting a port call every 30 days has created a culture to expect that during combat operations. It's not realistic and it's a symptom of a peacetime deployment structure.

On top of that they have had major logical issues resulting in extreme rationing at various points, which is exceptionally miserable.

I don't have a ton of sympathy for folks having to eat rations a few days because they needed a fresh food resup. This is grasping at straws to manufacture outrage.

There is hardship and then there is pushing people past their breaking point. Army units even in active combat are rotated out of the frontlines for breaks periodically as you can’t just keep pushing people and expecting them not to break.

This is a bad analogy. Unless they've sat at general quarters for the last 240+ days it's not remotely the same thing. That's not looking down on 240+ days of continuous heavy flight operations which would put a toll on anyone's body and mental health but it's apples to oranges.

Saying this is just because of being used to ‘soft cushy deployments’ does a disservice to those service members.

See line 1, folks are used to peacetime structure where they get to get off the ship. The sky is not falling here, it's just real people experiencing combat operations for an abnormal period of time. It's also something they'll need to get used to or find another profession as the pending conflict with China is not "going to be over by Christmas".