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[PuckChaser]

Or after years of soft, cushy deployments, the ship crews are completely unprepared for major combat operations and the hardship that comes with them which is a USN leadership not political problem. Expecting 0 mental health issues on a 9 month deployment shows me the folks that have never deployed for that period of time before without a break.

 

[YZT580]

Apparently mental health issues are just health issues and what they really need to do is exercise more. ...
That supposedly is what one ships crew in the Gulf was told by a senior CentCom officer.
Floggings will continue until morale improves.
I'm starting to wonder if tone deaf somehow, became part of the job description.

and those poor bastards volunteered. I wonder how many will re-muster when their time is up

 

[Nvlgzr]

Apparently mental health issues are just health issues and what they really need to do is exercise more. ...
That supposedly is what one ships crew in the Gulf was told by a senior CentCom officer.
Floggings will continue until morale improves.
I'm starting to wonder if tone deaf somehow, became part of the job description.

Pete needs to go on a long deployment to show them how ‘real men’ do it.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Or after years of soft, cushy deployments, the ship crews are completely unprepared for major combat operations and the hardship that comes with them which is a USN leadership not political problem. Expecting 0 mental health issues on a 9 month deployment shows me the folks that have never deployed for that period of time before without a break.

Welcome to the Suck

“We came to realise - first with astonishment, then bitterness, and finally with indifference - that intellect apparently wasn't the most important thing...not ideas, but the system; not freedom, but drill. We had joined up with enthusiasm and with good will; but they did everything to knock that out of us.”

― Erich Maria Remarque

 

[Eaglelord17]

Or after years of soft, cushy deployments, the ship crews are completely unprepared for major combat operations and the hardship that comes with them which is a USN leadership not political problem. Expecting 0 mental health issues on a 9 month deployment shows me the folks that have never deployed for that period of time before without a break.

Or this is a exceptional circumstance which is novel in both length and potential stresses on it’s crew.

They have done 241 days purely at sea in a row with no port visits, most of them in a active warzone. The previous record for days at sea without a port visit for a US carrier was 206 days, not in any warzone, so this is shattering that record by over a month.

On top of that they have had major logical issues resulting in extreme rationing at various points, which is exceptionally miserable.

There is hardship and then there is pushing people past their breaking point. Army units even in active combat are rotated out of the frontlines for breaks periodically as you can’t just keep pushing people and expecting them not to break.

Saying this is just because of being used to ‘soft cushy deployments’ does a disservice to those service members.

 

[Gordon Dundas/]

Or this is a exceptional circumstance which is novel in both length and potential stresses on it’s crew.

They have done 241 days purely at sea in a row with no port visits, most of them in a active warzone. The previous record for days at sea without a port visit for a US carrier was 206 days, not in any warzone, so this is shattering that record by over a month.

On top of that they have had major logical issues resulting in extreme rationing at various points, which is exceptionally miserable.

There is hardship and then there is pushing people past their breaking point. Army units even in active combat are rotated out of the frontlines for breaks periodically as you can’t just keep pushing people and expecting them not to break.

Saying this is just because of being used to ‘soft cushy deployments’ does a disservice to those service members.

Well said.

 

[PuckChaser]

Or this is a exceptional circumstance which is novel in both length and potential stresses on it’s crew.

They have done 241 days purely at sea in a row with no port visits, most of them in a active warzone. The previous record for days at sea without a port visit for a US carrier was 206 days, not in any warzone, so this is shattering that record by over a month.

Yes, that's an exceptional circumstance. Expecting a port call every 30 days has created a culture to expect that during combat operations. It's not realistic and it's a symptom of a peacetime deployment structure.

On top of that they have had major logical issues resulting in extreme rationing at various points, which is exceptionally miserable.

I don't have a ton of sympathy for folks having to eat rations a few days because they needed a fresh food resup. This is grasping at straws to manufacture outrage.

There is hardship and then there is pushing people past their breaking point. Army units even in active combat are rotated out of the frontlines for breaks periodically as you can’t just keep pushing people and expecting them not to break.

This is a bad analogy. Unless they've sat at general quarters for the last 240+ days it's not remotely the same thing. That's not looking down on 240+ days of continuous heavy flight operations which would put a toll on anyone's body and mental health but it's apples to oranges.

Saying this is just because of being used to ‘soft cushy deployments’ does a disservice to those service members.

See line 1, folks are used to peacetime structure where they get to get off the ship. The sky is not falling here, it's just real people experiencing combat operations for an abnormal period of time. It's also something they'll need to get used to or find another profession as the pending conflict with China is not "going to be over by Christmas".

 

[Eaglelord17]

Yes, that's an exceptional circumstance. Expecting a port call every 30 days has created a culture to expect that during combat operations. It's not realistic and it's a symptom of a peacetime deployment structure.


I don't have a ton of sympathy for folks having to eat rations a few days because they needed a fresh food resup. This is grasping at straws to manufacture outrage.


This is a bad analogy. Unless they've sat at general quarters for the last 240+ days it's not remotely the same thing. That's not looking down on 240+ days of continuous heavy flight operations which would put a toll on anyone's body and mental health but it's apples to oranges.


See line 1, folks are used to peacetime structure where they get to get off the ship. The sky is not falling here, it's just real people experiencing combat operations for an abnormal period of time. It's also something they'll need to get used to or find another profession as the pending conflict with China is not "going to be over by Christmas".

Your right, not over by Christmas is correct on the length of the war, but even in the trenches troops were rotated out, generally spending only 20% of their time (usually 3-7 days at a time) on the front lines. This is the Naval equivalent of no rotating out.

These sailors literally are breaking records (and a record is the max anyone else has done) in a warzone no less and you’re calling them weak for hitting their limits.

People don’t have to get used to this type of conditions, this is a exceptional circumstance not anywhere near what the norm should be even in war. Anyone seeking to keep that type of pace going in wartime isn’t going to have a effective fighting force very quickly.

 

[PuckChaser]

These sailors literally are breaking records (and a record is the max anyone else has done) in a warzone no less and you’re calling them weak for hitting their limits.

I said no such thing. I said their previous cushy deployments with lots of port calls did not adequately prepare them for the harshness of sustained combat operations. That's a leadership problem inside USN not political and definitely not the sailors. The entire situation is being blown out of proportion to score cheap political points in an unpopular war.

 

[OldSolduer]

Embrace the suck for without that future endeavours are not likely to happen

 

[daftandbarmy]

Shots fired... blue on blue...

Fury erupts at Fox host who blasted ‘weak’ sailors on USS Abraham Lincoln: ‘Put him on that ship’​

The former Marine Corps staff sergeant compared the carrier crew’s living conditions to his own deployment in Afghanistan​

Fox News presenter Joey Jones is under fire following a three-minute on-air outburst targeting service members deployed aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln who recently voiced concerns about deteriorating shipboard conditions.

Sailors and their families have complained about conditions, including the food, on the ship given its deployment for more than 200 days. The carrier has been in the Middle East helping in Donald Trump’s war in Iran. Administration officials, including the president, have dismissed concerns about the conditions.

“How weak are you?” Jones asked while co-hosting Fox News’s “The Big Weekend Show” on Saturday, reacting to a segment that originally aired Thursday on CNN.

“On TV, complaining about tuna and noodles?” Jones said. “I’m sorry, you volunteered to serve your country. You can come back, get out of the military, and do like all of these Democrat veterans and complain about it and make commercials and be a sellout if you want to.”

On social media, critics immediately turned the host’s own framing against him.

Fury erupts at Fox host who blasted ‘weak’ sailors on USS Abraham Lincoln

The former Marine Corps staff sergeant compared the carrier crew’s living conditions to his own deployment in Afghanistan

www.independent.co.uk