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Iraq Claims Foreigners Threatening Mosque

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Iraq claims foreigners threatening mosque
Sunday, August 15, 2004 Posted: 1653 GMT (0053 HKT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Twenty-five heavily armed foreigners holed up inside the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf have threatened to blow up the building, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said Sunday in a written statement.

The statement said the interim Iraqi government has ordered national guard forces not to target the mosque, and not to approach it.

The mosque, in the center of Najaf, is a holy site to Shiite Muslims. They believe it houses the tomb of the Prophet Muhammed's cousin and son-in-law.

Meanwhile, the Iraqi National Conference, intended to help shape democracy, was interrupted Sunday by protesters who demanded an end to violence in Najaf.

Minutes after the disruption, a series of mortar rounds landed less than a mile from the conference site in Baghdad's Green Zone. Two people were killed and 17 others wounded, according to Iraq's Interior Ministry.

Najaf violence
In recent days, supporters of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose militia has engaged U.S. and Iraqi forces across the country, have come to the city to protect the mosque.

Iraqi authorities have said people inside the mosque compound have fired mortars and laid land mines in the sacred compound. An al-Sadr spokesman denied those claims.

Clashes resumed in Najaf on Sunday, a day after efforts to broker a peace agreement in the Iraqi city failed, according to the city's governor.

The governor's office said rebel forces loyal to al-Sadr were fighting both Iraqi and U.S. forces. The U.S. military was checking the report.

A U.S. military patrol Sunday came under fire from al-Sadr's Mehdi Army fighters near Najaf's cemetery, according to CNN's Matthew Chance, who is embedded with the U.S. military in Najaf.

After taking fire from rocket-propelled grenades and snipers, Marines returned fire, killing at least two al-Sadr forces. The U.S. forces did not sustain any casualties.

After efforts to reach a truce with al-Sadr's militia failed, Iraqi National Security Adviser Mouwaffaq al-Rubaie on Saturday declared that military operations would resume to "return the city of Najaf to normal city functions and to establish law and order."

Iraq's national security advisor has said the government "left no stone unturned" in its efforts to peacefully resolve the standoff in Najaf.

In Najaf on Saturday, al-Sadr, one arm wrapped in a bandage, demanded U.S. forces leave Iraq and told the crowd to defend Najaf and "be a martyr."

An aide to the cleric said al-Sadr suffered minor shrapnel wounds while he was in the Imam Ali Shrine compound.

"Nobody can force me to leave or depart you," al-Sadr said. "We got rid of Saddam [Hussein] only to have him replaced by something worse than him."

Al-Sadr's Mehdi Army has been battling U.S. and Iraqi forces in Najaf for more than a week. The huge mosque compound is surrounded by Iraqi forces, but authorities have said there is no plan to storm the site.
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I hope they do blow up the mosque, because that will turn the civillians completely against the insurgents.  The civillians will want the americans to kill them (the insurgents).
 
Man I hate it when the Muslims bitch and whine about American's entering "holy" sites. Perhaps if they stop fighting the Americans, there will be more places left for them to worship their all mighty god.
 
jutes said:
Man I hate it when the Muslims bitch and whine about American's entering "holy" sites. Perhaps if they stop fighting the Americans, there will be more places left for them to worship their all mighty god.

When you generalize a religion like that you start walking a fine line there Bud...Might want to correct your statment a bit.
 
Hmmm last I checked the Muslims's worship the same God as I do and Jews do. Watch your generalizations!!

Damn it Slim get out of my head..... :)
 
Slim said:
When you generalize a religion like that you start walking a fine line there Bud...Might want to correct your statment a bit.

???

It doesn't take a religion buff to figure out that no one wants the Americans in Iraq, well, besides the American appointed Iraqi President/Prime Minister. But if the Americans can possibly kill or capture a highly-ranked terrorist official, why should they wait because the building has some special designation? I say they should drop a few bombs, and clean-up the aftermath, isn't that what they did in the first days of the war?

Hmmm last I checked the Muslims's worship the same God as I do and Jews do. Watch your generalizations!!

Don't blow things out of proportion. I didn't say ALL Muslims now did I.  :dontpanic:
 
Wait a minute, you don't generalize, but" no one" wants the Americans in Iraq?  Just what do you think the millions are doing today who won't make the news? Oh yea, enjoying new-found freedom of speech, etc...
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Wait a minute, you don't generalize, but" no one" wants the Americans in Iraq?   Just what do you think the millions are doing today who won't make the news? Oh yea, enjoying new-found freedom of speech, etc...

Ah yes, there is nothing like walking down the street feeling all warm inside because you voice your opinion. Meanwhile, you have no electicity, no running water, and your fathers and sons are threated to be arrested. Great Freedom.
 
Your gonna be a real popular guy when you go through. Good luck with that atitude.
 
Welcome back to the recruiting office, Mr.Jutes,
Yes thats right, go up the stairs turn left and go out...er I mean go through that door up there. ::)
 
And what are your reasons for wanting to join the CF, Mr Jutes? Just curious.
 
Well, there is no sense in arguing with the "elites" on this forum, they just throw personal insults at you without discussing the topic at hand. Makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Good luck with that atitude.

So having an opinion is wrong? My god, its Communism all over again.

And what are your reasons for wanting to join the CF, Mr Jutes? Just curious.

I wanted and still want to join because the CF is only a hand-full of individuals that are fit and strong enough to serve. Sure, I can go to the US, where they take almost anyone. I also like Aviation and have a strong passion for it, hence the Air Force route. I hope to travel and work in most places where civilians can only dream, and on top of that, get paid for it. Heck, if a smart, strong "kid" with a strong desire, like me is not a candidate, I don't know who is.



 
You want to join us but we are Mickey Mouse? Let me refresh your memory:
I don't give a rats *** which Special Forces is better or which one is better trained. But what I will tell you is my opinion on a certain issue, whether I've had experience or not. If you wish to dismiss it as BS, let it be, I don't need to prove to someone in a Mickey Mouse Organization that happens to call itself the Canadian Army that I was right.

Fine attitude for a potential member, eh?

 
scott1nsh said:
You want to join us but we are Mickey Mouse? Let me refresh your memory:
I don't give a rats *** which Special Forces is better or which one is better trained. But what I will tell you is my opinion on a certain issue, whether I've had experience or not. If you wish to dismiss it as BS, let it be, I don't need to prove to someone in a Mickey Mouse Organization that happens to call itself the Canadian Army that I was right.

Fine attitude for a potential member, eh?

I already applogized for that comment. I'd find something else to comment about. PM me if you have a problem.

Anymore childish, personal attacks that have nothing to do with this thread, that you wish to address to me, feel free to post below. :-*
 
jutes said:
So having an opinion is wrong? My god, its Communism all over again.

Have an opinion based in fact, not conjectures, its simple  actually.

jutes said:
Ah yes, there is nothing like walking down the street feeling all warm inside because you voice your opinion. Meanwhile, you have no electicity, no running water, and your fathers and sons are threated to be arrested. Great Freedom.

In case you haven't noticed, " sonny boy",  millions of people gave up a whole lot more than that for a taste of freedom.

jutes said:
Well, there is no sense in arguing with the "elites" on this forum, they just throw personal insults at you without discussing the topic at hand. Makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Actually it would make me feel "warm and fuzzy" if it remained on topic and not rant-filled kife.

And I'll leave the "American" thing for someone more qualified.[ see, its called staying in your lane]














 
jutes said:
But if the Americans can possibly kill or capture a highly-ranked terrorist official, why should they wait because the building has some special designation? I say they should drop a few bombs, and clean-up the aftermath, isn't that what they did in the first days of the war?

In the first days of the war, the Americans took out a few buildings that included restaurants, offices, but no mosques.  The Americans are thinking twice about bombing the mosque because thousands and thousands of individuals who aren't *bad guys* use it as a place of worship.  In an ideal world, it should be a sanctuary, a place for peaceful contemplation.  If the Americans bomb it, it will alienate a lot of the hearts and minds they are trying to win.  The situation is complicated because a few people seem to be using it as a (para)military headquarters, which would make it a valid target.  Alas, the world isn't so black and white.

I, for one, would not want to be the guy that has to make the decision to go into the mosque with force.
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Have an opinion based in fact, not conjectures, its simple  actually.



In case you haven't noticed, " sonny boy",  millions of people gave up a whole lot more than that for a taste of freedom.



Actually it would make me feel "warm and fuzzy" if it remained on topic and not rant-filled kife.

And I'll leave the "American" thing for someone more qualified.[ see, its called staying in your lane]

The only rant here is coming from you. You have not mentioned one thing that is related to the topic. It is very mature of you using "sonny boy", is this the kind of crap I will have to deal with in the Military?
 
Especially as of late, theres so many examples of someone hitting the post button before they've given it any real thought. Hell i'm horrible for that myself. Often we can edit out what we said but it's usually too late because someone has read it and replied to it. You can appologize for what you've said but it's pretty hard to take it back as people remember it.

Hopefully this serves as yet another good example for people to do a spell check, hit the preview button and read over their work-give it some thought before posting it.

Some people have commented to me that us senior guys here are pretty hard on people. In some posts i can understand how it looks their comming down on people hard but theres a good reason for it. We want a professional site dedicated to the Canadian Army. When someone posts an opinion its just that. When someone posts facts we'd like to see it backed up through personal experience or a link to a credable source. We like answering questions from curious people but we want to attract and retain professional soldiers TO answer those questions.  it may be a little heavy handed to some people but i personally think its MUCH better than the other side of the spectrum where theres no rules or guidelines and people post shit like "hey anyone wanna be my friend? Whats the coolest way to kill someone? who here hates muslims? Navy seals beat up rangers because my buddies dad told me a story".

It's a simple truth in the army when you present half facts or wrong facts people will die.  The staff here want whats best for the board and are just trying to make sure everyone is on the same boat.

You asked, jutes, if thats the kinda stuff you'll have to deal with in the military?
Yes.
Your going to have to work with people you don't like, your going to have to listen to people who you think are wrong. The only way to fix it is to get promoted.
 
We want a professional site dedicated to the Canadian Army.

I have not seen one trace of it so far on this site. I've gone through several topics that have been locked. Most of them started when a senior member went on a power-trip. Insead of saying, "No, you are wrong, and here's why..." they went of topic and made pointless personal insults and attacks on the poster. That is not professionalism. I for one can tolerate this nonsense, but I'm not sure that some one else might. If I was a first-time poster and wanted to get an example of what kind of people run or are in the CF, my first impression would not be a good one. 

I'm done here. :-X

You may have the last word of further disrespect and pointless personal attacks against me if you wish.
 
jutes, you promise?

As for getting the discussion back on track, good post Clasper.

I remember seeing some nightly news footage of some of the combat in Najaf and Fallujah a couple months ago.   A platoon was getting ready to move into a mosque in order to ensure it was clear of enemy pers.   The camera was focused on a the young Platoon commander giving his final words to his troops before they went in.   Those words were along the lines of "Remember what this place is a don't fuck around" and "get in there, do your job in the most respectful way you can, and lets get out and resume the mission".   I was impressed with leadership of that young Lieutenant.   Like you said Clasper, he probably had a pretty big weight on his shoulders.   It was a far cry from the "senseless destruction" or "ignorant American invader" images that the media seems to delight in portraying.
 
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