Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

[Kirkhill]

Any Catholic (any religion for that matter) schools in NS are private schools. And STFX is Catholic in name only. There is no compulsory Catholic education portion of their provided services.

That is the bargain that has generally been agreed across the country. Religion is not promoted by government. It is tolerated.

But our problem occurs when our values require us to be tolerant and not beat our wife while others require them to be intolerant and keep their wives in line with the rod.

 

[CBH99]

That is the bargain that has generally been agreed across the country. Religion is not promoted by government. It is tolerated.

But our problem occurs when our values require us to be tolerant and not beat our wife while others require them to be intolerant and keep their wives in line with the rod.

I wouldn't say it is 'our problem' when those 2 ideologies clash.

This is Canada, and collectively we agree that beating up your wife is a bad thing.


If someone's values are in contrast with that, they are free to leave. But that isn't 'our problem' as much as it is 'their problem'

If they want to stay here, but want to continue beating their wife, then there are legal consequences for doing so.

I am perfectly fine with not accommodating them or their values, even if those values are derived from their culture or religion.

 

[Kirkhill]

I am not sure what you point is with all of this.



NS got rid of their public Catholic system in '70s.

My point is that we have rules that accord with our enilghtened, liberal society. I like that society and its rules. I want to conserve it.

But others disagree with me and want a different society with different rules. To achieve that they are following Alinsky's rules and making us follow our rules. They are exploiting loopholes to our disadvantage.

To prevent damage to our society then we need to close the loop hole. Often that means breaking our own rules and acting illiberally for a period.

And then the problem becomes how long is that period and when do we get back to "normal".

We had a War Measures Act and there were objections to the use of that.

We have an Emergencies Act and there have been objections to the use of that.

....

These are the reasons I don't run for office. I don't have the necessary arrogance to believe I can get things right. I just hope that somebdy else will.

And that they will act to the benefit of my side.

 

[lenaitch]

Anyone who believes religion is just about values is being naive. Religion, certainly in terms of education, is about teaching dogma - the doctrine of belief - even if is rolled into some approved provincial curriculum. People are free to hold whatever private religious belief they want, but it cannot be manifest in their public behavior if it conflicts with our societal values, and they cannot expect that the pubic purse support it.

I would dearly love for Ontario to eliminate its parochial school system and public support for other schools, but it is political Kryptonite because there are no votes in it for any party.

 

[YZT580]

Anyone who believes religion is just about values is being naive. Religion, certainly in terms of education, is about teaching dogma - the doctrine of belief - even if is rolled into some approved provincial curriculum. People are free to hold whatever private religious belief they want, but it cannot be manifest in their public behavior if it conflicts with our societal values, and they cannot expect that the pubic purse support it.

I would dearly love for Ontario to eliminate its parochial school system and public support for other schools, but it is political Kryptonite because there are no votes in it for any party.

you are absolutely correct but then again, what do you think an agnostic school system is teaching if it isn't dogma? The only difference is that you happen (perhaps) to agree to the dogma being taught.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Meanwhile, New Jersey state int says AQ in the Arab Penninsula seems happy to exploit divisiveness to poke potential lone-wolves - also attached if link doesn't work.

 

[Kirkhill]

Disrupt and divide. Suits a bunch of interests.

 

[OldSolduer]

Our tolerance for bullshit is the rope that will hang us - along with our fascination with cheap shit from China.

 

[lenaitch]

you are absolutely correct but then again, what do you think an agnostic school system is teaching if it isn't dogma? The only difference is that you happen (perhaps) to agree to the dogma being taught.

'Dogma', in its strictest sense, is a set of beliefs that people accept, or are expected to accept, uncritically, that are uncontrovertibly true. Most often used in context with organized religion but I suppose could also be used in authoritarian regimes.

An agnostic school, particularly one run by the state (I'm hard-pressed to think of a private one that isn't based in faith or culture) hopefully teaches to a set of values that, in a civil society like ours, we are free to debate and question.

 

[YZT580]

'Dogma', in its strictest sense, is a set of beliefs that people accept, or are expected to accept, uncritically, that are uncontrovertibly true. Most often used in context with organized religion but I suppose could also be used in authoritarian regimes.

An agnostic school, particularly one run by the state (I'm hard-pressed to think of a private one that isn't based in faith or culture) hopefully teaches to a set of values that, in a civil society like ours, we are free to debate and question.

With the emphasis on "Hopefully". Doesn't happen at all. This is from the CBC on how kids are treated by kids and with little control by the teachers.
"Talking loudly to drown out another student, fooling around mid-lesson, mocking a classmate's incorrect answer — tales of disrespectful behaviour in today's classrooms abound.

And a recent study from Brock University in St. Catharines, Ont., found a significant increase in classroom incivility since the pandemic.

"Incivility" sounds old-fashioned, but it can disrupt classrooms and student development — and it's something educators and experts focused on Canadian youth believe deserves attention and action."
Try and find a school that anchors its curriculum on the following moral values: (from a Milton England Public School handout)

1. Unconditional Love and Kindness​

2. Integrity: The Cornerstone of Trust and Honesty​

3. Perseverance: Encouraging Resilience and Determination​

4. Respect for Others​

5. Cooperation​

6. Compassion: Fostering Empathy and Kindness​

7. Responsibility: Nurturing Active Citizenship​

8. Gratitude: Teach to Praise the Present For a Great Future​

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[lenaitch]

With the emphasis on "Hopefully". Doesn't happen at all. This is from the CBC on how kids are treated by kids and with little control by the teachers.
"Talking loudly to drown out another student, fooling around mid-lesson, mocking a classmate's incorrect answer — tales of disrespectful behaviour in today's classrooms abound.

And a recent study from Brock University in St. Catharines, Ont., found a significant increase in classroom incivility since the pandemic.

"Incivility" sounds old-fashioned, but it can disrupt classrooms and student development — and it's something educators and experts focused on Canadian youth believe deserves attention and action."
Try and find a school that anchors its curriculum on the following moral values: (from a Milton England Public School handout)

1. Unconditional Love and Kindness​

2. Integrity: The Cornerstone of Trust and Honesty​

3. Perseverance: Encouraging Resilience and Determination​

4. Respect for Others​

5. Cooperation​

6. Compassion: Fostering Empathy and Kindness​

7. Responsibility: Nurturing Active Citizenship​

8. Gratitude: Teach to Praise the Present For a Great Future​

​

I agree. It seems today have either given up or, probably more correctly, had their ability to 'enforce' these values taken away from them. It's part of the reason I argued somewhere on here (I can't remember whether this thread or another) that teacher unions rightly had the ability to negotiate class sizes rather than leaving that as simply a working condition in the hands of the employer. Increasingly large class sizes, perhaps including one or more special needs students, are more difficult to control.

I said earlier that I was hard-pressed to think of a private school that wasn't religious or cultural based and on reflection can think of a number in the GTA alone. Some might have started out as parochial but are no longer. Similar to many of the universities in the Maritimes.