Joe Rogan and Pierre Poilievre interview

[brihard]

Is this a similar argument to Jagmeet's "positioning himself as kingmaker and getting what he wanted out of the government"? In the end, look at the cost his party paid for his abandoning his values. The cost to be part of the government may be quite high for both individual MPs and possibly the Liberal Party.

Sure, and my speculation was wrong on that one… Like many, my best guesses were overcome by larger events and some misread on my part.

I think it’s a somewhat easier call to say that crossing MPs entering a majority government will have more opportunity to make a direct
impact on government policy than if they stayed with a now-neutered opposition.

Maybe I’m wrong on that too. The fact remains that the LPC now have a majority government, and some MPs have chosen to join it from across the floor. Each will have done their own assessment, likely better informed than any of ours.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Indeed.

We are back to the voter, ultimately, rewarding or punishing behaviours.

Jagmeet and the NDP took all of the risk and got none of the reward for propping up the Trudeau version of the Liberals. The NDP core voters obviously saw it as a betrayal of their values and stayed away from them in droves last election. And it did not attract voters from the Liberal or CPC camps.

I personally think Jagmeet was woefully naive.

I think our disagreement is when exactly the voters should get their say.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think our disagreement is when exactly the voters should get their say.

That is what I like about Army.ca- the disagreements are so respectful.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I think it’s a somewhat easier call to say that crossing MPs entering a majority government will have more opportunity to make a direct
impact on government policy than if they stayed with a now-neutered opposition.

How would someone like Marilyn Gladu have an easier time making a direct impact on government policy? If we're assuming her views and beliefs haven't changed, for example, her voting against baning conversion therapy. I don't see her swaying many Liberals on that topic. Or her history of voting to restrict abortion.

I think we're going to see her vote lockstep with every other Liberal MP.

 

[suffolkowner]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2043847444484538786

I wonder if this will push a couple on the fence over

 

[SeaKingTacco]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2043847444484538786

I wonder if this will push a couple on the fence over

Wait. Carney is badly educated? Says Pierre?

Come on.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I wonder if this will push a couple on the fence over

As good as reason as any to abandon the platform you were voted in on.

 

[suffolkowner]

Wait. Carney is badly educated? Says Pierre?

Come on.

its not the first time ive heard him say something like that either. Not a good angle IMO

 

[suffolkowner]

As good as reason as any to abandon the platform you were voted in on.

havent the Liberals stole all the CPCs good ideas?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

its not the first time ive heard him say something like that either. Not a good angle IMO

I mean, you can legitimately have a difference of opinion over policy, but Mark Carney is not poorly educated.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

havent the Liberals stole all the CPCs good ideas?

That’s what I thought.

 

[Jarnhamar]

havent the Liberals stole all the CPCs good ideas?

Yes. All of them.

It's nice to see our democracy boil down to crossing the floor because someone makes a comment they don't like. Or drinks water and some drips.

 

[suffolkowner]

Yes. All of them.

It's nice to see our democracy boil down to crossing the floor because someone makes a comment they don't like. Or drinks water and some drips.

or maybe youre disgusted with your leadership?

 

[Jarnhamar]

or maybe youre disgusted with your leadership?

It’s not really about whether an MP is ‘disgusted’ or happy with leadership. Floor crossing is a representation issue, people vote for a party platform and a mandate, not just an individual’s personal reactions. Changing parties raises questions about whether that mandate is still being respected.

Heck, maybe MPs should cross the floor if someone sneezes near Poilievre and he doesn't say bless you (or if he does say bless you, cross the floor because Poilievre is pushing religion)

 

[suffolkowner]

It’s not really about whether an MP is ‘disgusted’ or happy with leadership. Floor crossing is a representation issue, people vote for a party platform and a mandate, not just an individual’s personal reactions. Changing parties raises questions about whether that mandate is still being respected.

Heck, maybe MPs should cross the floor if someone sneezes near Poilievre and he doesn't say bless you (or if he does say bless you, cross the floor because Poilievre is pushing religion)

what about the people in the riding that didnt vote for the winning candidate? Who represents them?

 

[Jarnhamar]

what about the people in the riding that didnt vote for the winning candidate? Who represents them?

Well if 100,000 people in a riding voted for Politician A, and 10 voted for Politician B, and ( now) MP A crosses the floor to Politician B's party it's all good because they're still representing their constituents technically.

 

[suffolkowner]

Well if 100,000 people in a riding voted for Politician A, and 10 voted for Politician B, and ( now) MP A crosses the floor to Politician B's party it's all good because they're still representing their constituents technically.

right so the riding is still represented no matter what the elected member chooses

 

[Jarnhamar]

right so the riding is still represented no matter what the elected member chooses

Yeah. Even if it's not what the majority wants, despite them being voted in by said majority.

 

[suffolkowner]

Yeah. Even if it's not what the majority wants, despite them being voted in by said majority.

majority or plurality?
and if one can better achieve ones policy aims in the other party? Better fulfill that mandate?
Im not in favour of anything that reduces the independence of members or anything that strengthens the hold of the party or leader

 

[Jarnhamar]

and if one can better achieve ones policy aims in the other party? Better fulfill that mandate?

Do you think Marilyn Gladu is going to better achieve the policy aims she was voted in on with the LPC?