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JTF-2 video does little to lift veil of secrecy from elite force

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Thursday, May 15, 2003

CREDIT: (AP Photo/DarioLopez-Mills, file)

Military personnel, identified as being members of Canada‘s Joint Task Force Two unit, escort three detainees last year in Afghanistan. (AP Photo/DarioLopez-Mills, file)


OTTAWA (CP) - Six months ago, Defence Minister John McCallum said Canadians should know more about the military‘s secretive special operations unit, Joint Task Force 2.

Defence officials immediately began discussing how they would release information: Interviews? A news conference? An extensive account of the unit‘s activities in Afghanistan last year? In the end, they decided on something less intrusive.

On Thursday, National Defence released a 13-minute video extolling the virtues of Canada‘s "world-class" special forces.

Tellingly titled, Deeds, Not Words, the high-production $40,000 video outlines a "rigorous and challenging" selection process for JTF-2. It is accompanied by a six-minute recruitment video.

Laced with training footage, much of it shot in infrared, the video is heavy on boasts and light on new information.

It says JTF-2 goes where conventional forces don‘t, that it operates "with a scalpel, not a hammer" and that, for its elite, "battle-seasoned" members, "mission failure is not an option."

Operational security is paramount, says the video, in which soldiers are masked at all times.

"JTF-2‘s capabilities could be seriously compromised by the release or disclosure of certain information," it says. "Clues about members‘ identities could endanger both them and their families.

"Small lapses can accumulate. Little by little, a bigger picture can emerge and provide information that is useful to an enemy."

While the exploits of Canadian special forces in Afghanistan went largely unnoticed, their American counterparts took journalists into combat operations for days on end. Insiders say that‘s because the U.S. special forces have about 25,000 soldiers, while Canada‘s contingent is fewer than 1,000.

The only reference to Afghanistan in the video came in an introduction by Vice-Admiral Greg Maddison, deputy-chief of defence staff and chief of Canadian military operations, who said "several" JTF-2 were deployed.

"In numerous challenging missions against Taliban and al-Qaida targets, they captured enemy personnel, equipment, and material of significant intelligence value and hampered the enemy‘s ability to conduct operations against us and our coalition partners," said Maddison.

In an interview, McCallum, who has pushed for more access to the elite force based outside Ottawa, said the Canadian military can be a tough nut to crack.

"It‘s an important first step," McCallum said of the video. "I‘m certainly not saying this is the end of the process of trying to communicate to the public.

"It provides more information than has been provided in the past as to what kinds of activities, what kinds of skills these people have and what kind of work that they do."

The minister said he is "engaged in discussions" with senior military officials about more access to JTF-2.

"My own bias is that I would like the public to see more, rather than less. But I always have to be conscious of the security aspect - both the reality of the security aspect and as perceived by the people themselves."

In the fall 2001 budget, the federal government announced a five-year, $120-million special forces expansion project, both in capabilities and infrastructure.

The all-volunteer JTF-2 subjects recruits to a tough, seven-day selection process - 10 days for officers - and a rigorous seven-month training regimen that it says rivals any other. Only a fraction of candidates make the grade.

Maj. James Simiana, a spokesman for the elite force, said the aim is to cast a little more light on a force in which Canadians should be proud.

"There‘s probably a limit to how far down that road we‘ll be able to go."
 
So anyone here seen the video, got a copy/link. I googled it but can‘t find a thing.
 
Well what do you want?, its a secure unit. I‘ve done the 3 phases of selection and 6 months of fun. The 7 day is just the start. To reach phase 3 you must be willing to give up a lot of blood, sweat and pain. And your family life.The 3 phases is to weed out the weak and the d1cks who just want to be cool. The has been SF fellas from the US,Britain and others fail.
The civies should just leave it as it is, secure highly trained unit. For if I don‘t get out I may go back, I would prefer it that way.
 
I imagine the fun would be alright for a little while. I have a buddy who is a current resident of the Dwyer Hill facility. He is ready to leave and get a career that he can actually talk about. He has to tell the girls that he‘s a janitor out west of Ottawa.
He talked to me recently about becoming a Pilot in the CF.
 
Hey the Janitor cover story makes sense you know. They are after-all some of the ones who clean up the messes around the world. ;)
 
Keener
Yes, I was on one of the first courses in 92 and spent some time with them. I was asked to go back in 98 but was on tour. Now getting to old to start again. You have to Cat A (Assaulter) before you go Cat B/C (Mobility/Support). I may go back Mobility if I can. You can try out twice. But know fellas that have tried 3 times. Officers have the hardest time. I know two of the fittest, fail. Some fellas you think will fail pass.
Zoomie, Thats a good one. Most just say where their at. Its no real secret. There are some A55holes that say they are JTF. But when you start to talk to them. And they tell you everything, you know their BS.
 
thats a great thing to have under your belt Reece41.. i‘ve read some of the book " Canada‘s Secret Commandos" in Chapters. it is a very informative book. i understand that we will be doubling the size of JTF2. that is very exciting. i would like to know the average time a soldier serves with them, and approximately how often tryouts are held. i also can‘t wait to see the video.
 
I too have a friend who recently made it onto strength at Dwyer Hill, after several tries. I think he kept at it just so he could finish his career with a bang -- he‘s done everything else a Canadian infantryman could do. Once he‘s done his minimum tour, I believe he was going to look for some nice training job with a major police force.

I hope he stays safe, has some fun, and gets out to enjoy the breeze on his toes ... if you know what I mean! :D He‘s certainly deserved it, and I know I rest a lot better at night knowing he‘s out there, doing what he does best. I‘ve trusted him with my life in the past, and would do so again in a heartbeat. :cdn:
 
Recce 41: is the official "pre-jtf2 PT" booklet any good? I heard from PSP that they are redesigning the current one.
 
Yes the book is good, it has basic work out program.Plus info on training required. Most bases ran out of it.
 
I was told to try and get my hands on that Pre-JTF2 book because it suggests a well rounded "military oriented" workout. Apparently its a good resource for anyone who wants to get in better shape.

Unfortunatly, while I was told "you should get this", I was never informed how a civillian might go about aquiring one. Any suggestions would be appreciated. :)
 
Kind of an Odd side note

My Father tried out for JTF-2 back in 1992 while posted to CFB Esquimalt. He passed every part of the testing but failed the physical. But failed on, get this, the Doctor doing the test failed him due to doing TOO MANY pushups. Now what the **** kinda s*** is that? :mad: Now dont get the idea he isnt a fit guy, when he was with the SSF/ Airborne he took the mountineering course, came out first overall because he wasnt gonna let a bunch of infantry pukes top him (BTW he is an MSE-Op :D ) Any Ideas on why this failure happened? TOO MANY pushups? thats gotta be BS of the highest calber
 
First off the first courses, were crap. I was on the first course also. It was made up of some RCMP and soldiers that madeup the test and didn‘t even do it. I think why he failed was that you have to progess. If you do too much, you have no where to go. Also , if they didn‘t like you, you were gone. I got nailed for points because my run time was low. And the next time, I had no way to improve. Some soldiers do the max and then wash out because of this. If you go, find a above average score. Then on the final test max out.
It is not just PT, it is mental also. You could be a PT God and fail. For you could not remember what weapon a target had in his hand.
 
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