I'll believe it when I see it.
100% but this is a country wide philosophy, if it’s not being used it’s probably not important. Look at provincial emergency management. Police. Health care.You're right, except it didn't have to be this way. We havent maintained and renovated over time, instead we've kicked the can so far down the road the that were on a piled stone foundation, with knob and tube wiring and a tarpaper roof... Just using my own previous analogy.
100% but this is a country wide philosophy, if it’s not being used it’s probably not important. Look at provincial emergency management. Police. Health care.
Everyone is shocked that the system designed fifty years ago needs maintenance.
I may have this wrong- it wasn’t my area- does the forces not start trying to get people out or remustered the moment a trade is over it’s numbers?
That constant needles eye staffing wouldn’t support growth- creates a nonsensical training system that only runs courses every couple years- creates boom and bust trades…
In my experience with army reservists- they were obsessed with doing things so cheaply that they would rather maintain untrained soldiers untrained for longer than required rather than sending them to another area to do their training,
I’m way out of my depth here and my observations are dated- but it always seemed like we were happy to have a number on paper and attrition wasn’t really a concern.
So say we got the money- we don’t have the people trained to do things. A couple training missions around the globe. Logistics that are essentially assuming that we ll always be in a coalition so we can use their stuff.
Isn't that what mandatory service out of high school produces? It appears to me that most 17/18 year old youths have no grasp on where they wish to spend their next 20 years. One year mandatory service that introduces them to several different potential career choices may be a healthy approach if done right. And yes that is a very big if. Would also require a different mind set on the part of career counsellors in high schools.Well we, as country, are going to be learning some tough lessons.
I wont divulge numbers, but I will tell you the new Naval Experience Program has been wildly successful; beyond what we expected, we will get more applications than billets we have. We will max out.
I think our recruiting issue is in the length of our contracts. Everyone should be joining on a 1 year probie period. 3 months of training and 9 months of employment. This would include officer intake, everyone comes in from that start point.
More applications than spaces is common; selection processes will winnow down those numbers. In some less demanding industries, ratios of a dozen or more applications to a single hiring are common.I wont divulge numbers, but I will tell you the new Naval Experience Program has been wildly successful; beyond what we expected, we will get more applications than billets we have. We will max out.
I think our recruiting issue is in the length of our contracts. Everyone should be joining on a 1 year probie period. 3 months of training and 9 months of employment. This would include officer intake, everyone comes in from that start point.
More applications than spaces is common; selection processes will winnow down those numbers. In some less demanding industries, ratios of a dozen or more applications to a single hiring are common.
The CAF is not unique in enrollment challenges, most all volunteer militaries are experiencing a tight labour market right now.
The CAF needs to streamline its recruiting process and include greater transparency and visibility to applicants, and move away from systems seeming dating from the Mad Men era.
That said the NEP is interesting to watch, and hopefully will generate lessons that will be learned and will make effective long term change.
The issue with mandatory service is what if the person knows they don't want to do it? There is a non-zero percentage that know they don't want to be in uniform.Isn't that what mandatory service out of high school produces? It appears to me that most 17/18 year old youths have no grasp on where they wish to spend their next 20 years. One year mandatory service that introduces them to several different potential career choices may be a healthy approach if done right. And yes that is a very big if. Would also require a different mind set on the part of career counsellors in high schools.
Be careful of counting your chickens before they've hatched. The CAF has a history of declaring mission success with these types of endeavours way too early.Well we, as country, are going to be learning some tough lessons.
I wont divulge numbers, but I will tell you the new Naval Experience Program has been wildly successful; beyond what we expected, we will get more applications than billets we have. We will max out.
I think our recruiting issue is in the length of our contracts. Everyone should be joining on a 1 year probie period. 3 months of training and 9 months of employment. This would include officer intake, everyone comes in from that start point.
absolutely. If however it is simply part of the requirements for graduation as in grade 13, provides a skills oriented curriculum, and introduces several different career choices whilst at the same time permitting the young person to mature then perhaps it is worth considering as an alternative to where things are progressing now. The CAF cannot get recruits, kids are graduating from useless courses after spending tons of money, we are systematically destroying the concept of nationhood and we are falling behind much of the world in just about every category you wish to name except government size. And we vote for the person with the best pair of socks. We have to try something because what we are doing now isn't working.The issue with mandatory service is what if the person knows they don't want to do it? There is a non-zero percentage that know they don't want to be in uniform.
Yeah, some of them may change their minds once in, but we would need to essentially (maybe literally) police those who don't want to, and will do anything to get out of it.
There are lots of things we could spend our 2% on that are not pieces of equipment for which we don't currently have the trained people to operate.So say we got the money- we don’t have the people trained to do things. A couple training missions around the globe. Logistics that are essentially assuming that we ll always be in a coalition so we can use their stuff.
Be careful of counting your chickens before they've hatched. The CAF has a history of declaring mission success with this endeavours way too early.
I wouldn't say the words "wildly successful", I would say "promising".
The program will be successful if it produces a larger cadre of OFP qualified sailors, that meet all of the enrollment standards (which will eventually need to be captured) are fit and able to deploy on operations, in a more expedient timeframe than traditional recruiting entry plans.
There is zero evidence yet that this is the case.
I've seen initiatives like this also backfire in the past with a significant negative variance from the standard deviation.
Which a good many of us see right through.
The Emperor has no clothes....a charlatan
I forgot to add “snake oil salesman”Sadly now enough people have seen through his thin veneer. Hopefully the public is beginning to see him as the charlatan he really is.
And drank the Kool Aid he offered them.Jimmy Jones had charisma and his followers loved him for it, right to the end.
Hey, please be kind to snakes.I forgot to add “snake oil salesman”
The CAF needs to reduce the size of the Regular Force, probably by 15-20k personnel and deep cuts need to be made to Senior Leadership/Administration.100% but this is a country wide philosophy, if it’s not being used it’s probably not important. Look at provincial emergency management. Police. Health care.
Everyone is shocked that the system designed fifty years ago needs maintenance.
I may have this wrong- it wasn’t my area- does the forces not start trying to get people out or remustered the moment a trade is over it’s numbers?
That constant needles eye staffing wouldn’t support growth- creates a nonsensical training system that only runs courses every couple years- creates boom and bust trades…
In my experience with army reservists- they were obsessed with doing things so cheaply that they would rather maintain untrained soldiers untrained for longer than required rather than sending them to another area to do their training,
I’m way out of my depth here and my observations are dated- but it always seemed like we were happy to have a number on paper and attrition wasn’t really a concern.
So say we got the money- we don’t have the people trained to do things. A couple training missions around the globe. Logistics that are essentially assuming that we ll always be in a coalition so we can use their stuff.
I think the fundamental difference between your and @Humphrey Bogart 's viewpoints are where to draw the line at "success". I think you can be both right, in a way.I disagree. The program has been wildly successful, thus far, as we will exceed our expectations and capability for intake.
The CAF needs to reduce the size of the Regular Force, probably by 15-20k personnel and deep cuts need to be made to Senior Leadership/Administration.
It needs to consolidate everything from infrastructure, number of bases, to number of units and formations.
It needs to then appropriately fund what's left over. The 45k members that are left over should be of the highest standard of fitness and given the best equipment and training money can buy.
We are never going to produce mass so we should be aiming for maximum quality.
I think the fundamental difference between your and @Humphrey Bogart 's viewpoints are where to draw the line at "success". I think you can be both right, in a way.
- Your (and presumably RCN NEP) measure of success is interest and enrollment
- His measure of success is how many end up doing a full-time contract beyond the NEP
Flavor Aid not Kool Aid.Jimmy Jones had charisma and his followers loved him for it, right to the end.
Ok, Flavor Aid. Then maybe he got his charisma after drinking too much liquid during his “electric Kool Aid acid test”.Flavor Aid not Kool Aid.
But you’re right about his charisma.