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Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

Canada says it will look at increasing its defence spending and tacked on 10 more Russian names to an ever growing sanctions list.

By Tonda MacCharles
Ottawa Bureau
Mon., March 7, 2022

Riga, LATVIA—On the 13th day of the brutal Russian bid to claim Ukraine as its own, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is showing up at the Latvian battle group led by Canadian soldiers, waving the Maple Leaf and a vague hint at more money for the military.

Canada has been waving the NATO flag for nearly seven years in Latvia as a bulwark against Russia’s further incursions in Eastern Europe.

Canada stepped up to lead one of NATO’s four battle groups in 2015 — part of the defensive alliance’s display of strength and solidarity with weaker member states after Russia invaded Ukraine and seized the Crimean peninsula in 2014. Trudeau arrived in the Latvian capital late Monday after meetings in the U.K. with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Netherlands Prime Minister Mark Rutte.

Earlier Monday, faced with a seemingly unstoppable war in Ukraine, Trudeau said he will look at increasing Canada’s defence spending. Given world events, he said there are “certainly reflections to have.”

And Canada tacked on 10 more Russian names to an ever-growing sanctions list.

The latest round of sanctions includes names Trudeau said were identified by jailed Russian opposition leader and Putin nemesis Alexei Navalny.

However, on a day when Trudeau cited the new sanctions, and Johnson touted new measures meant to expose Russian property owners in his country, Rutte admitted sanctions are not working.

Yet they all called for more concerted international efforts over the long haul, including more economic measures and more humanitarian aid, with Johnson and Rutte divided over how quickly countries need to get off Russian oil and gas.

The 10 latest names on Canada’s target list do not include Roman Abramovich — a Russian billionaire Navalny has been flagging to Canada since at least 2017. Canada appears to have sanctioned about 20 of the 35 names on Navalny’s list.

The Conservative opposition says the Liberal government is not yet exerting maximum pressure on Putin, and should do more to bolster Canadian Forces, including by finally approving the purchase of fighter jets.

Foreign affairs critic Michael Chong said in an interview that Ottawa must still sanction “additional oligarchs close to President Putin who have significant assets in Canada.”

Abramovich owns more than a quarter of the public shares in steelmaking giant Evraz, which has operations in Alberta and Saskatchewan and has supplied most of the steel for the government-owned Trans Mountain pipeline project.

Evraz’s board of directors also includes two more Russians the U.S. government identified as “oligarchs” in 2019 — Aleksandr Abramov and Aleksandr Frolov — and its Canadian operations have received significant support from the federal government.

That includes at least $27 million in emergency wage subsidies during the pandemic, as well as $7 million through a fund meant to help heavy-polluters reduce emissions that cause climate change, according to the company’s most recent annual report.

In addition to upping defence spending, the Conservatives want NORAD’s early warning system upgraded, naval shipbuilding ramped up and Arctic security bolstered.

In London, Johnson sat down with Trudeau and Rutte at the Northolt airbase. Their morning meetings had a rushed feel, with Johnson starting to usher press out before Trudeau spoke. His office said later that the British PM couldn’t squeeze the full meeting in at 10 Downing Street because Johnson’s “diary” was so busy that day. The three leaders held an afternoon news conference at 10 Downing.

But before that Trudeau met with the Queen, saying she was “insightful” and they had a “useful, for me anyway, conversation about global affairs.”

Trudeau meets with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg Tuesday in Latvia.

The prime minister will also meet with three Baltic leaders, the prime ministers of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, in the Latvian capital of Riga.

The Liberals announced they would increase the 500 Canadian Forces in Latvia by another 460 troops. The Canadians are leading a multinational battle group, one of four that are part of NATO’s deployments in the region.

Another 3,400 Canadians could be deployed to the region in the months to come, on standby for NATO orders.

But Canada’s shipments of lethal aid to Ukraine were slow to come in the view of the Conservatives, and the Ukrainian Canadian community.

And suddenly Western allies are eyeing each other’s defence commitments.

At the Downing Street news conference, Rutte noted the Netherlands will increase its defence budget to close to two per cent of GDP. Germany has led the G7, and doubled its defence budget in the face of Putin’s invasion and threats. Johnson said the U.K. defence spending is about 2.4 per cent and declined to comment on Canada’s defence spending which is 1.4 per cent of GDP.

But Johnson didn’t hold back.

“What we can’t do, post the invasion of Ukraine is assume that we go back to a kind of status quo ante, a kind of new normalization in the way that we did after the … seizure of Crimea and the Donbas area,” Johnson said. “We’ve got to recognize that things have changed and that we need a new focus on security and I think that that is kind of increasingly understood by everybody.”

Trudeau stood by his British and Dutch counterparts and pledged Canada would do more.

He defended his government’s record, saying Ottawa is gradually increasing spending over the next decade by 70 per cent. Then Trudeau admitted more might be necessary.

“We also recognize that context is changing rapidly around the world and we need to make sure that women and men have certainty and our forces have all the equipment necessary to be able to stand strongly as we always have. As members of NATO. We will continue to look at what more we can do.”

The three leaders — Johnson, a conservative and Trudeau and Rutte, progressive liberals — in a joint statement said they “will continue to impose severe costs on Russia.”

Arriving for the news conference from Windsor Castle, Trudeau had to detour to enter Downing Street as loud so-called Freedom Convoy protesters bellowed from outside the gate. They carried signs marked “Tuck Frudeau” and “Free Tamara” (Lich).

Protester Jeff Wyatt who said he has no Canadian ties told the Star he came to stand up for Lich and others who were leading a “peaceful protest” worldwide against government “lies” about COVID-19 and what he called Trudeau’s “tyranny.”

Elsewhere in London, outside the Russian embassy, other protesters and passersby reflected on what they said was real tyranny — the Russian attack on Ukraine. “I think we should be as tough as possible to get this stopped, as tough as possible,” said protester Clive Martinez.
 
Sure. If that's your view. I think it just goes to show the federal Left has no respect for provinces, their competence, and federalism.
At the end of the day, I think that if the federal government is funding a program, that money shouldn't be taken and spent on something else. Then we end up with a hodgepodge of programs across the country.

This province has universal health care, this one doesn't. This province has childcare, this one doesn't. This province has legal weed, this one doesn't. Having a federal standard is not a bad thing, especially if the feds are funding it. If a province never signs on to a federal plan(looking at Alberta and Quebec here) and just dump that money into other things we don't end up with equal levels of services across the country, which is also in the constitution and the basis behind equalization.
To go back to the topic of the thread, though, what a ridiculous headline? And really, she had to ask Mr Oliphant to do a basic crossed product?
I would like to think Canadians are smart enough to execute ''GDP in billions'' * 2%... Not any harder than calculating tips for your haircut...
Do people even know what our GDP is?

That said, I hate our budgets. I like pie charts. if not pie charts, lines of income and expenses. Not a word salad of priorities and plans. Just tell me how much is being spent on what. I was trying to nail down the RCMP budget a while ago and it took me 29 minutes longer than it should have.
 
At the end of the day, I think that if the federal government is funding a program, that money shouldn't be taken and spent on something else. Then we end up with a hodgepodge of programs across the country.

This province has universal health care, this one doesn't. This province has childcare, this one doesn't. This province has legal weed, this one doesn't. Having a federal standard is not a bad thing, especially if the feds are funding it. If a province never signs on to a federal plan(looking at Alberta and Quebec here) and just dump that money into other things we don't end up with equal levels of services across the country, which is also in the constitution and the basis behind equalization.
To determine what should be federal and what should be provincial, refer to Section 92 of the constitution...
Do people even know what our GDP is?
I don't. But google does. It's literally one click. ''Canada GDP''. Bam. Move the decimal point twice to the left then double the amount. Bam. Now you know what our defence budget should be.
 
I understand the hesitation to get to 2% as a significant portion would be wasted due to delays and corresponding inflation (to name a few).

Perhaps the CF could just release its own report on what force it could sustain and at what %GDP?
Get to the chase and present simple, easy to understand options (to compensate for lack of military knowledge in Canada).

Just something simple like:

"This is what we need based on our threat analysis after Ukraine, and this is our professional opinion we need a force of XYZ, this much time, and this many billions."

Lay out our limitations and embarrassing mishaps due to our aging fleets, show how dangerous Canadians would be.

"At current projected rates, we could sustain a XYZ sized CAF, and we'd have to drop these capabilities forever."

"To build each of these options, we'd still need more money to replace old required equipment and this number of weapons, vehicles."

And make it public...
 
At the end of the day, I think that if the federal government is funding a program, that money shouldn't be taken and spent on something else. Then we end up with a hodgepodge of programs across the country.

This province has universal health care, this one doesn't. This province has childcare, this one doesn't. This province has legal weed, this one doesn't. Having a federal standard is not a bad thing, especially if the feds are funding it. If a province never signs on to a federal plan(looking at Alberta and Quebec here) and just dump that money into other things we don't end up with equal levels of services across the country, which is also in the constitution and the basis behind equalization.

Do people even know what our GDP is?

That said, I hate our budgets. I like pie charts. if not pie charts, lines of income and expenses. Not a word salad of priorities and plans. Just tell me how much is being spent on what. I was trying to nail down the RCMP budget a while ago and it took me 29 minutes longer than it should have.

How would you feel about a budget presented on a per capita basis?
 

Meanwhile CAF be like.... we really need a lot of people and are severely understaffed but like not any white males...

Also 70% of our workforce is white male and we have no idea why they are leaving.
 
How would you feel about a budget presented on a per capita basis?
having to do math per line item?

 
Raise taxes to pay for increases in defence expenditures?

Survey results are mixed:


Canadians split on raising taxes for defence spending: poll​



A new poll has found that Canadians are split on whether they support increasing the income tax to help bolster Canada's defence spending against possible threats.

The latest national public opinion poll from Nanos Research, commissioned by CTV News and The Globe and Mail, reports that 19 per cent of respondents support and 28 per cent somewhat support the move. However, polling showed 31 per cent of those surveyed oppose raising taxes for defence spending while 17 per cent somewhat oppose it.

Five per cent of respondents reported they were unsure of how they felt about this.

 

Meanwhile CAF be like.... we really need a lot of people and are severely understaffed but like not any white males...

Also 70% of our workforce is white male and we have no idea why they are leaving.
Yeah I thought that was a weird-ass thing to say.

Is it implying that there is no difference between a Newfie, a Queb, and an Albertan? That only skin colour is what defines an individual? That diversity is only good if it's visible in photo ops? That's some dystopian stuff right there.

Not to mention, she seems like she has a problem with having 71% white males, while white people represent 77% of Canada. Is that somehow unexpected? Is she really all that surprised that... gasp, men and women have differing interests?

But no, surely our recruitment woes have nothing to do with the fact that the government keeps firing career servicemen for political reasons and that the enlistment process can take years, during which people lose all interest they had in the first place / find other opportunities.

And imma jump on this one : "Lt.-Gen. Jennie Carignan, chief of professional conduct and culture''
So, huh... how many Professional Conduct Brigades are there? How many personnel are deployed on Culture Operations at present?

Heavens... A whole Lieutenant-General. But no, we're not top-heavy... :rolleyes: Plus isn't she the first female combat arms general? I'd be insulted to be tasked with this. ''No, no, we don't give actual commands to women''... Christ's sake.
 
Yeah I thought that was a weird-ass thing to say.

Is it implying that there is no difference between a Newfie, a Queb, and an Albertan? That only skin colour is what defines an individual? That diversity is only good if it's visible in photo ops? That's some dystopian stuff right there.

Not to mention, she seems like she has a problem with having 71% white males, while white people represent 77% of Canada. Is that somehow unexpected? Is she really all that surprised that... gasp, men and women have differing interests?

But no, surely our recruitment woes have nothing to do with the fact that the government keeps firing career servicemen for political reasons and that the enlistment process can take years, during which people lose all interest they had in the first place / find other opportunities.

And imma jump on this one : "Lt.-Gen. Jennie Carignan, chief of professional conduct and culture''
So, huh... how many Professional Conduct Brigades are there? How many personnel are deployed on Culture Operations at present?

Heavens... A whole Lieutenant-General. But no, we're not top-heavy... :rolleyes: Plus isn't she the first female combat arms general? I'd be insulted to be tasked with this. ''No, no, we don't give actual commands to women''... Christ's sake.

I think we just became best friends
 
And imma jump on this one : "Lt.-Gen. Jennie Carignan, chief of professional conduct and culture''
So, huh... how many Professional Conduct Brigades are there? How many personnel are deployed on Culture Operations at present?

Heavens... A whole Lieutenant-General. But no, we're not top-heavy... :rolleyes: Plus isn't she the first female combat arms general? I'd be insulted to be tasked with this. ''No, no, we don't give actual commands to women''... Christ's sake.

I think you may have missed a few memos.
 
Yeah I thought that was a weird-ass thing to say.

Is it implying that there is no difference between a Newfie, a Queb, and an Albertan? That only skin colour is what defines an individual? That diversity is only good if it's visible in photo ops? That's some dystopian stuff right there.

Not to mention, she seems like she has a problem with having 71% white males, while white people represent 77% of Canada. Is that somehow unexpected? Is she really all that surprised that... gasp, men and women have differing interests?

But no, surely our recruitment woes have nothing to do with the fact that the government keeps firing career servicemen for political reasons and that the enlistment process can take years, during which people lose all interest they had in the first place / find other opportunities.

And imma jump on this one : "Lt.-Gen. Jennie Carignan, chief of professional conduct and culture''
So, huh... how many Professional Conduct Brigades are there? How many personnel are deployed on Culture Operations at present?

Heavens... A whole Lieutenant-General. But no, we're not top-heavy... :rolleyes: Plus isn't she the first female combat arms general? I'd be insulted to be tasked with this. ''No, no, we don't give actual commands to women''... Christ's sake.
I know a bit about the professional side of the house. You have no idea how strong direction they need to have it coherent. That piece should have been done years ago. Cloud shoveler were kings, now they have to share space with other and reality of training calendar.
 
Yeah I thought that was a weird-ass thing to say.

Is it implying that there is no difference between a Newfie, a Queb, and an Albertan? That only skin colour is what defines an individual? That diversity is only good if it's visible in photo ops? That's some dystopian stuff right there.

Not to mention, she seems like she has a problem with having 71% white males, while white people represent 77% of Canada. Is that somehow unexpected? Is she really all that surprised that... gasp, men and women have differing interests?

But no, surely our recruitment woes have nothing to do with the fact that the government keeps firing career servicemen for political reasons and that the enlistment process can take years, during which people lose all interest they had in the first place / find other opportunities.

And imma jump on this one : "Lt.-Gen. Jennie Carignan, chief of professional conduct and culture''
So, huh... how many Professional Conduct Brigades are there? How many personnel are deployed on Culture Operations at present?

Heavens... A whole Lieutenant-General. But no, we're not top-heavy... :rolleyes: Plus isn't she the first female combat arms general? I'd be insulted to be tasked with this. ''No, no, we don't give actual commands to women''... Christ's sake.
Well on the bright side, there are so many other opportunities out there, particularly in the private sector.

It took this white male only a few weeks to get a job offer after I submitted my VR 😂, for a safety sensitive position.

Interview
Background Check
Medical + Drug & Alcohol Testing
Offer

3 weeks total time. Take that for action CFRG 🤣
 
So we need more diversity to fix retention….what planet do they live in? Let’s completely ignore failing equipment, no equipment, shit posting locations be it location or massive increase in COL, toxic leadership, etc, etc. The koolaid is strong with this one.
 
Well on the bright side, there are so many other opportunities out there, particularly in the private sector.

It took this white male only a few weeks to get a job offer after I submitted my VR 😂, for a safety sensitive position.

Interview
Background Check
Medical + Drug & Alcohol Testing
Offer

3 weeks total time. Take that for action CFRG 🤣
Add a PT test at the interview or medical and we could do the same. We just have to want to.
 
So we need more diversity to fix retention….what planet do they live in? Let’s completely ignore failing equipment, no equipment, shit posting locations be it location or massive increase in COL, toxic leadership, etc, etc. The koolaid is strong with this one.
Diversity is only one part of it and yes it should be addressed. It’s only one part of the issues that the CAF faces.

What we have to do though is put as much effort into all of those issues that we seem to be doing for diversity.
 
Diversity is only one part of it and yes it should be addressed. It’s only one part of the issues that the CAF faces.

What we have to do though is put as much effort into all of those issues that we seem to be doing for diversity.

I'm cool with diversity but how do we accomplish this ?

We can't force people to join.
 
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