Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[MilEME09]

Why ?

If we want to get to 2% or higher of GDP, eventually it will mean expansion of the CAF, our existing force structure needs to get filled out first, but after that there would still be plenty left over. The easy button is pull a Freeland and give everyone a pay rise, what the CAF needs is flexibility, the current op tempo has shown 3 brigades is not enough, heck Afghanistan showed that as well. We need to stand up an additional brigade, ideally 2, plus an increase to the RCAF, and RCN.

 

[QV]

Using a pay raise to your already hollowed out military as a mechanism to say you achieved 2% defense spending is a move that won't be looked at favorably by the alliance. Can we stop doing stupid shit for once and be serious on defense?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Why ?

Place the army in Europe and use it to strengthen economic ties with the EU. Push ahead with the sub order using South Korea, promise to base a sub in Korea or japan to work with allies over there, so the navy becomes our Pacific commitment. Once we start receiving our F35's we can consider whether the Pacific or Europe is best for a number of aircraft. Also base a P8 out Korea and possible give some of our Auroras to the Philippines.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Place the army in Europe and use it to strengthen economic ties with the EU. Push ahead with the sub order using South Korea, promise to base a sub in Korea or japan to work with allies over there, so the navy becomes our Pacific commitment. Once we start receiving our F35's we can consider whether the Pacific or Europe is best for a number of aircraft. Also base a P8 out Korea and possible give some of our Auroras to the Philippines.

I like this idea.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

445 pages.
How much has he given?
What have we got to show for it?

 

[Kirkhill]

I can't help but wonder if this is also a parting shot...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/haida-gwaii-aboriginal-title-federal-agreement-1.7461151

How do Lax Kw'alaams feel about it and how it might impact on this? @Colin Parkinson

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https://sencanada.ca/content/sen/committee/421/TRCM/Briefs/EagleSpiritEnergyChiefsCouncil_e.pdf

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That band's position has swung wildly depending on the Council in power, as has their relationship with the other bands in the area. The area and the revenue sharing agreements are hotly contested between the bands. For now the project is dead, but i can see it revived under the CPC, who would likely walk back or grant an exemption to avoid the legal test the case may bring.

I should add that the government might be screwing everyone with this, but I have not dug deep into it yet. That being said the previous grants to the Haida have effectively killed economic activity in the islands. The Haida were utterly pissed that their former enemies were getting the lions share of revenue streams and they got none. The key element will be how far out does the title go and will it affect shipping?

 

[Kirkhill]

That band's position has swung wildly depending on the Council in power, as has their relationship with the other bands in the area. The area and the revenue sharing agreements are hotly contested between the bands. For now the project is dead, but i can see it revived under the CPC, who would likely walk back or grant an exemption to avoid the legal test the case may bring.

I should add that the government might be screwing everyone with this, but I have not dug deep into it yet. That being said the previous grants to the Haida have effectively killed economic activity in the islands. The Haida were utterly pissed that their former enemies were getting the lions share of revenue streams and they got none. The key element will be how far out does the title go and will it affect shipping?

"Apparently" -

Haida have Aboriginal title over islands' lands, beds of freshwater bodies, foreshores to the low-tide mark​

Nothing highlighted to suggest any kind of maritime domain but ...

 

[MilEME09]

Who knew being threatened with annexation would lead to a enlistment boom? There was apparently a full technical briefing today on the current state of the recruiting system and changes being made, particularly trying to stream line and speed up the security clearance process, which is the longest wait currently

Canadian Armed Forces says it's on track to meet this year's recruitment goal

More Canadians have expressed an interest in joining the military since U.S. President Donald Trump took office — but the Canadian Armed Forces isn’t attributing that spike to Trump and his talk of annexing Canada.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[PPCLI Guy]

This is where any possible new defense money has been allocated - a desperate legacy that Trudeau is trying to build for himself before he shuffles off to his newest teaching assignment.

"teaching assignment"

AKA collecting young impressionable "students" for special "learning" and then making NDA payments

 

[quadrapiper]

That band's position has swung wildly depending on the Council in power, as has their relationship with the other bands in the area. The area and the revenue sharing agreements are hotly contested between the bands. For now the project is dead, but i can see it revived under the CPC, who would likely walk back or grant an exemption to avoid the legal test the case may bring.

I should add that the government might be screwing everyone with this, but I have not dug deep into it yet. That being said the previous grants to the Haida have effectively killed economic activity in the islands. The Haida were utterly pissed that their former enemies were getting the lions share of revenue streams and they got none. The key element will be how far out does the title go and will it affect shipping?

Feels like taking all Crown land that isn't, one way or another, spoken for, and dumping it on the AFN with a "you figure out who gets title, good luck, you've got a year, anything in dispute after a year remains as Crown" would be a significant move to address reconciliation and would spare the taxpayer the expense and fractal hassle of adjudicating title nation-by-nation.

 

[MilEME09]

To bring this thread back on topic, heres the full hour long brief about the modernization plan for the recruiting system

 

[TangoTwoBravo]

To bring this thread back on topic, heres the full hour long brief about the modernization plan for the recruiting system

You could watch it twice on a High Speed Rail trip between Toronto and Montreal.

 

[MacNav63]

You could watch it twice on a High Speed Rail trip between Toronto and Montreal.

Well played sir, well played.

 

[Czech_pivo]

To bring this thread back on topic, heres the full hour long brief about the modernization plan for the recruiting system

Thank you very much for posting this. I found it to be a positive experience watching this and I came away, as a civilian, that they realise the problem, have a plan in place to achieve it, an end date to reach it and the desire to achieve it well before the stated end date. I am encouraged by this and hopefully. I appreciated the fact that the CDS stated that she wants the CAF to be over 85k as soon as possible.

To all of you who still serve - I appreciate your service.

 

[Fabius]

Canadian Forces says it’s on track to meet 2025 recruitment goal

x

nationalpost.com

So some math;
6496 recuited
X Number of Releases
1300 Net gain

Current recruit training system is running flat out, according to all reports.

We are short 13,600.

13600/1300 = 10.46 years to get to full strength
Desire to add another 13500 to get to 85000, will take another 10.5 years. Looking at 21 years to full strength.

In order to get our strength up to 85,000 in a geopolitically relevant timeframe, say 5 years we would need to be adding 5420 Net gain each year.

That’s a lot of expansion.

 

[YZT580]

Canadian Forces says it’s on track to meet 2025 recruitment goal

x

nationalpost.com

So some math;
6496 recuited
X Number of Releases
1300 Net gain

Current recruit training system is running flat out, according to all reports.

We are short 13,600.

13600/1300 = 10.46 years to get to full strength
Desire to add another 13500 to get to 85000, will take another 10.5 years. Looking at 21 years to full strength.

In order to get our strength up to 85,000 in a geopolitically relevant timeframe, say 5 years we would need to be adding 5420 Net gain each year.

That’s a lot of expansion.

but perhaps fewer releases because equipment purchases are in progress, housing construction and renovation is underway and you all got a decent raise plus with the economy going down the toilet there may be fewer outside options

 

[MilEME09]

Canadian Forces says it’s on track to meet 2025 recruitment goal

x

nationalpost.com

So some math;
6496 recuited
X Number of Releases
1300 Net gain

Current recruit training system is running flat out, according to all reports.

We are short 13,600.

13600/1300 = 10.46 years to get to full strength
Desire to add another 13500 to get to 85000, will take another 10.5 years. Looking at 21 years to full strength.

In order to get our strength up to 85,000 in a geopolitically relevant timeframe, say 5 years we would need to be adding 5420 Net gain each year.

That’s a lot of expansion.

I know work has been done to increase capacity with BMQs at other bases, 3-5 platoons seem to graduate from CFLRS every couple weeks (I follow the commandant on Twitter) in theory whats holding us back is instructors. Even CFLRS needed ARes augmentation

 

[PrairieFella]

I know work has been done to increase capacity with BMQs at other bases, 3-5 platoons seem to graduate from CFLRS every couple weeks (I follow the commandant on Twitter) in theory whats holding us back is instructors. Even CFLRS needed ARes augmentation

Perhaps a surge capacity would be to send summer RegF candidates to ARes or NAVRES BMQ? Say 2 ARes BMQs and 1 Reg course per training centre. Could put a dent in BMQ backlogs.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Topic is open again- high speed train posts moved here.

High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"

This is where any possible new defense money has been allocated - a desperate legacy that Trudeau is trying to build for himself before he shuffles off to his newest teaching assignment. https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/02/19/canada-getting-high-speed

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