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Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending
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daftandbarmy
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Except that the Euros agree they aren't doing enough either...
“Europe must be responsible for its own security”, Metsola tells EU leaders
At the informal European Council meeting on defence, the European Parliament President Metsola outlined her vision on how Europe can and must strengthen its own security and defence.
“More action, more financing and more cooperation”, must be the EU’s goals, she argued.
“First, we need to do more to protect Europe.”
“Russia can still produce more weapons in three months than we can in twelve. We need to do more, much more, to ramp up defence production and increase our defence industrial readiness. We can do all this in a way that respects the constitutional specificities of Member States. The best investment in European security is investing in the security of Ukraine.”
“Second, we need to do more to finance this protection.”
“Investing in security, is not just about protection - it is about boosting European competitiveness, driving growth, creating quality high-skilled jobs and powering everyday breakthroughs that improve how we live, work and connect.
“Public funding can take us far but we know it will not be enough. This makes mobilising private capital essential. When it comes to the EIB’s mandate, the European Parliament has long emphasised the need to maximise its capacity to leverage private funding for the security and defence sector.”
“The real incentive lies in addressing fragmentation within our markets. Different rules, standards, and systems are putting up barriers and risk holding us back. It makes no sense for Europe to have 178 different weapons systems, when the United States has 30.”
“Third, we need to coordinate better.”
“Fragmentation costs us billions: between 25 and 75 billion Euro are lost due to duplication and inefficiencies. The answer to this is staring us right in the face. Now is the time to move forward with a single market for defence.”
“Defence - Trade - Political reality. The expectation on us is high. We must be ready to respond. Effectively, robustly - even drastically. Europe must be responsible for its own security. No one else will do this for us.”
“Europe must be responsible for its own security”, Metsola tells EU leaders | News | European Parliament
At the informal European Council meeting on defence, the European Parliament President Metsola outlined her vision on how Europe can and must strengthen its own security and defence.
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Fair, but not doing enough is not the same as complanning that the US is the world's police.Except that the Euros agree they aren't doing enough either...
“Europe must be responsible for its own security”, Metsola tells EU leaders
At the informal European Council meeting on defence, the European Parliament President Metsola outlined her vision on how Europe can and must strengthen its own security and defence.
“More action, more financing and more cooperation”, must be the EU’s goals, she argued.
“First, we need to do more to protect Europe.”
“Russia can still produce more weapons in three months than we can in twelve. We need to do more, much more, to ramp up defence production and increase our defence industrial readiness. We can do all this in a way that respects the constitutional specificities of Member States. The best investment in European security is investing in the security of Ukraine.”
“Second, we need to do more to finance this protection.”
“Investing in security, is not just about protection - it is about boosting European competitiveness, driving growth, creating quality high-skilled jobs and powering everyday breakthroughs that improve how we live, work and connect.
“Public funding can take us far but we know it will not be enough. This makes mobilising private capital essential. When it comes to the EIB’s mandate, the European Parliament has long emphasised the need to maximise its capacity to leverage private funding for the security and defence sector.”
“The real incentive lies in addressing fragmentation within our markets. Different rules, standards, and systems are putting up barriers and risk holding us back. It makes no sense for Europe to have 178 different weapons systems, when the United States has 30.”
“Third, we need to coordinate better.”
“Fragmentation costs us billions: between 25 and 75 billion Euro are lost due to duplication and inefficiencies. The answer to this is staring us right in the face. Now is the time to move forward with a single market for defence.”
“Defence - Trade - Political reality. The expectation on us is high. We must be ready to respond. Effectively, robustly - even drastically. Europe must be responsible for its own security. No one else will do this for us.”
“Europe must be responsible for its own security”, Metsola tells EU leaders | News | European Parliament
At the informal European Council meeting on defence, the European Parliament President Metsola outlined her vision on how Europe can and must strengthen its own security and defence.www.europarl.europa.eu
They actively forced Europe to stop policing the world, and are now mad that Europe has slacked off.
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I think it's more like the gravy train is leaving town and the wolf is at the door...
... or some other collection of inadequate metaphors
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No no no. Not going to happen.
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Colonialism isn’t the same thing at all. Yes the US lobbied for independence for many colonies (not surprising considering America’s roots) but didn’t force anything and actually supported many European colonies to stave off communism.
French IndoChina (and look how Vietnam worked out)
Belgian Congo (USAF and limited SF only)
Arms to Rhodesia and South Africa really helped scuttle British colonialism by itself, after the Middle Eastern ‘redistribution’.
Israel and the Suez was the only real break with the UK in that.
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Europe has slacked off protecting itself. That's the issue. Just like Canada.
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There's an article in today's National Post, partially authored by Hillier, respecting ways to increase defence spending to meet our allies expectations.
Interesting ideas, but I do take some issue with infrastructure and housing. There's no question that base infrastructure is an issue that needs addressing, however, this appears to look solely at the idea of the existing base structures, which IMHO will simply be a continuation of the 1950s model of a CF - especially army - and its isolation in bases well away from the public.
I've mentioned before the concept of developing and organizing much of the CAF into "urban units" with a new model of RegF service that meshes with ResF service and allows individuals to have full careers and provide a force capable of operational deployment while serving basically their entire career in one of the country's major cities so that they remain near family and their spouses can also have a full career.
With respect to the Great Cod and others, the CAF needs to find a new paradigm of service if it hopes to rebuild an effective military. The old model does not need to be totally thrown out - in fact much of it remains in place - but it needs radical adaption. This current crisis with respect to NATO mandated funding, border security and the need to rebuild credibility with all of our allies - but especially the US - provides an excellent opportunity to build a new, expanded, sustainable infrastructure and to re-equip the force.
Opinion: Two ways to boost Canadian defence spending and minimize Trump's tariff threats
The choice is clear. If we do not address our security, there will be devastating economic consequencesnationalpost.com
Interesting ideas, but I do take some issue with infrastructure and housing. There's no question that base infrastructure is an issue that needs addressing, however, this appears to look solely at the idea of the existing base structures, which IMHO will simply be a continuation of the 1950s model of a CF - especially army - and its isolation in bases well away from the public.
I've mentioned before the concept of developing and organizing much of the CAF into "urban units" with a new model of RegF service that meshes with ResF service and allows individuals to have full careers and provide a force capable of operational deployment while serving basically their entire career in one of the country's major cities so that they remain near family and their spouses can also have a full career.
With respect to the Great Cod and others, the CAF needs to find a new paradigm of service if it hopes to rebuild an effective military. The old model does not need to be totally thrown out - in fact much of it remains in place - but it needs radical adaption. This current crisis with respect to NATO mandated funding, border security and the need to rebuild credibility with all of our allies - but especially the US - provides an excellent opportunity to build a new, expanded, sustainable infrastructure and to re-equip the force.
It's interesting though that the 50's basing model was inconsistent depending on where you were in the country. In the West, you had the Patricias in Winnipeg and Edmonton, and the Queen's Own Rifles in Calgary (with the Strathconas) and Victoria (well Esquimalt). In the East you also had one battalion of the RCR in London and one of the R22eR in QC. It seems only the Black Watch and the Canadian Guards didn't have an urban based battalion (unless you count Picton...).There's an article in today's National Post, partially authored by Hillier, respecting ways to increase defence spending to meet our allies expectations.
Interesting ideas, but I do take some issue with infrastructure and housing. There's no question that base infrastructure is an issue that needs addressing, however, this appears to look solely at the idea of the existing base structures, which IMHO will simply be a continuation of the 1950s model of a CF - especially army - and its isolation in bases well away from the public.
I've mentioned before the concept of developing and organizing much of the CAF into "urban units" with a new model of RegF service that meshes with ResF service and allows individuals to have full careers and provide a force capable of operational deployment while serving basically their entire career in one of the country's major cities so that they remain near family and their spouses can also have a full career.
With respect to the Great Cod and others, the CAF needs to find a new paradigm of service if it hopes to rebuild an effective military. The old model does not need to be totally thrown out - in fact much of it remains in place - but it needs radical adaption. This current crisis with respect to NATO mandated funding, border security and the need to rebuild credibility with all of our allies - but especially the US - provides an excellent opportunity to build a new, expanded, sustainable infrastructure and to re-equip the force.
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I guess you are right. The 50's-based model did make more use of urban centres. In many ways postings were also more restricted in those days with many individuals spending their career in the same battalion/regiment with short forays out for national level courses. It was the consolidation in the 60s that really shoved people into fewer regiments and into fewer rural bases.
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I guess you are right. The 50's-based model did make more use of urban centres. In many ways postings were also more restricted in those days with many individuals spending their career in the same battalion/regiment with short forays out for national level courses. It was the consolidation in the 60s that really shoved people into fewer regiments and into fewer rural bases.
It would be interesting to see the political drivers behind that relocation process...
MPs all want a nice big base as a solid revenue generator in their ridings...
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My understanding is that it also works the other way. Many high income voters could have the opinion that rough army guys as neighbours brings down property values.
My understanding is that’s what happened with Kapyong Barracks in Winnipeg. All kinds of people in that neighbourhood were salivating over the development potential of the land. Then they converted it to an urban reserve!
My wish is they build a giant 10 storey casino resort shaped like tipi.
Politics was certainly a big part of it, but I think we would struggle to find anything in the way of a coherent or consistent approach in the decades since Trudeau's cuts to the Army. Picton closed out with the reduction to nil strength of the Canadian Guards but all the other garrisons remained if just with different units. 3 PPCLI in Esquimalt and the Airborne Regiment in Edmonton. Then the Airborne moved to Petawawa in the mid 70s leaving Edmonton without a garrison until CFB Calgary was closed by the Liberals in the mid 90s after they lost their seats there. Similarly CFB London lost the RCR after the Tories lost their seats there in the '88 election. Not sure of the time line on Work Point Barracks and don't remember what triggered 2 PPCLI leaving Kapyong Barracks. Lots of valuable real estate freed up for developers as well.
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An empire is an empire. An empire is an agreed set of rules. The only question is whose rules. Post 1956 it was Eisenhower rules.
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Any rules only go as far as they can and will be enforced...
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3 VP was "reconstituted" as a 10/90 BN, moved to Chillowack in 1994, and then after the disbandment of the CAR, 3 VP moved in 1995 to Edmonton and reestablished as a full Reg Force Light BN (first Griesbach then CFB Edmonton).
Kapyong exodus and the 2VP move to Shilo was triggered by the Germans leaving Shilo, and the desire to consolidate the Army of the West to Edmonton and Shilo.
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The German army left Shilo in 2000. The decision to move 2VP from Winnipeg to Shilo was announced in 2001. Perhaps balancing out the economic loss on a small town by an offset from a major centre within the same province that would still have a major DND footprint (RCAF) may have played a part?
Kev was in first...Ninja'd
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Yep. I liked our rule book. Roosevelt, Marshall and Eisenhower preferred their own.
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Some news out on the 3 luckless individuals running for the Liberal Party and their 'timelines' on getting us to 2%
1) Gould - 2027
2) Freeland - 2027
3) Carney - 2030 (!)
www.ctvnews.ca
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1) Gould - 2027
2) Freeland - 2027
3) Carney - 2030 (!)
Karina Gould vows to meet NATO defence pledge by 2027
Liberal leadership candidate Karina Gould is vowing to ramp up defence spending to meet NATO's target by 2027.
www.ctvnews.ca
Mark Carney Pledges to Spend 2% on Defence by 2030 – February 5, 2025
In Windsor, federal Liberal leadership candidate Mark Carney holds a news conference to outline the policies he would pursue as prime minister to grow the Canadian economy. He pledges to reach the NATO defence spending target of 2 per cent of GDP by 2030, two years earlier than the Trudeau...
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