Liberal Minority Government 2021 - ????

[The Bread Guy]

A few more data points.

On the fundraising front, according to reports to Elections Canada, here's the total reported funds raised by the Big Three in calendar year 2024:

• Team Blue: $42.9M (Q4 Oct-Dec: $13.1M)
• Team Red: $16.4 (Q4 Oct-Dec: $5.6M)
• Team Orange: $6.4 (Q4 Oct-Dec: $2.4M)

Spreadsheet attached.

 

[brihard]

Just get it to the Great Lakes if QC isn’t interested. Ford said he’s be willing to enable an eastern pipeline.

The cost of shipment is then likely getting close to not feasible. And the added risk of ice and icebergs make this not a good option.

The main point of "Energy East" is to get product to eastern Canada, not to ship abroad from there.

Emphasis for international export neither to nor through the US should be directed to west coast facilities.

Maybe a dumb question; you guys may know better. Would it be viable to punch a pipeline to the St Lawrence seaway in Ontario, and transship it via coastal tankers from Ontario out to refineries and/or oceangoing terminals in the east? I’m not a boatologist, but it seems like if we can pump from ship to shore we should be able to pump it back into bigger ships?

 

[Remius]

Maybe a dumb question; you guys may know better. Would it be viable to punch a pipeline to the St Lawrence seaway in Ontario, and transship it via coastal tankers from Ontario out to refineries and/or oceangoing terminals in the east? I’m not a boatologist, but it seems like if we can pump from ship to shore we should be able to pump it back into bigger ships?

Not sure either which is why I suggested the same sort of thing. QV pointed out that the seaway can only accommodate 244 meter ships (my number may be off). So may be limited in how much they can carry or even if they can carry. From what I read, it is possible but might be a cost thing.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Maybe a dumb question; you guys may know better. Would it be viable to punch a pipeline to the St Lawrence seaway in Ontario, and transship it via coastal tankers from Ontario out to refineries and/or oceangoing terminals in the east? I’m not a boatologist, but it seems like if we can pump from ship to shore we should be able to pump it back into bigger ships?

Theoretically, yes. Not very practical due to size limitations. There are still risks of accidents, only they'd be happening in the waterway on the final leg rather than over land.

If QC isn't going to stop obstructing a pipeline across QC, they can stop pretending to be part of "Team Canada" only when it's convenient for them.

 

[MilEME09]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887582098451546555

 

[lenaitch]

It strikes me that facilities and fleet needed to transfer to inland LNG tankers (do they even exist?) then to ocean-going tankers would make the exercise uncompetitive and very risky.

Never say never in politics.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-rethin-lng-saguenay-1.7451297

 

[YZT580]

Not sure either which is why I suggested the same sort of thing. QV pointed out that the seaway can only accommodate 244 meter ships (my number may be off). So may be limited in how much they can carry or even if they can carry. From what I read, it is possible but might be a cost thing.

also, don't think there are many canal sized tankers. I suppose you could build up a fleet of oil barges pretty quick but there aren't any convenient places to transship.