Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Eaglelord17]

Bull feathers. Cottages are/were family treasures many of which have been in those families for generations and shared amongst them. Many, particularly on the Stroud side of Lake Simcoe were owned by people from downtown Toronto and served as their means of having green places for children to play and escape the city. The owners were not wealthy. Then along came the government with inheritance fees on the second dwelling and many of those "wealthy" people could no longer afford to keep them in the family so they went up for sale and were bought up by those who now had the money and figured they could turn a quick buck by renting them out, often they were rented out to the same families year after year and the area remained stable. Weekly or monthly rentals were generally family types looking for a vacation as you suggest is appropriate but more and more of the cottages are being bought up by people who aren't interested in a vacation home but the profits to be had by offering weekend party centres facilitated by service such as Air BnB. that didn't exist so Air BnB and the like have provided a way for drunken parties to invade those neighbourhoods. It is only fun for the partiers and no one else and by the way, they are not the so-called general public. They are obnoxious rodents. The noise and filth is unbearable. Those cottages you refer to that are owned by the Eaton's and the actors and lawyers are not typical except in areas like Windemere.

Fun is not fun when it impedes upon others enjoyment. Your statement re: old people suggest that you don't really consider the feelings of others but only about yourself. Older people do have fun, honest, just not the same type of fun that you have.

Historically it was inhabited by your average joes, not anymore. Either generational wealth (which generally means older people owning it), or your wealthy, not the general public. Approximately 22% of the population is a first generation Canadian (myself included). Approximately 16% of the population is a naturalized citizen. So almost 40% of the population wasn't able to be a part of owning this type of property when the prices were cheap. And thats only if your family chose to buy in, which for many families was still unaffordable. The majority of Canadians at this point never had that opportunity.

Lots of older people who believe they are entitled to the peace and quiet of a 100 acre property on a standard lot. Lots of older people get upset at younger people doing things they themselves did (or worse) when they were younger. Again it is nimbyism, driving out others for the sake of a few.

I do consider the feelings of others, however it doesn't mean they should get carte blanche on what others can or cannot do. If it's breaking the law, call the cops. If it isn't, well that's just whining.

Must be nice to call in sick if you just don't feel like working.

Must be nice to call in sick and not be given the 5th degree in general. My workplace doesn’t pay for time off for the first 3 days in a row (resets every separate occurrence) and if you take 5 days off in a year they put you on attendance management. Lots of people will work sick due to how much they harass you when you call in.

 

[Remius]

Interesting. The PA group is limited to 262.5 hours vacation leave, plus the 37.5 hours one time vacation entitlement for accumulation of leave, but there's no upper limit on sick leave.

That's actually a problem; it's a system that benefits old farts like me, but junior personnel with live changing illnesses are forced to either draw down vacation or go on sick leave without paying due to the lack of a short term disability plan to bridge to long term disability.

It does benefit you because you didn’t abuse your leave when you were younger and when you need it (on average as you age you’ll use it more) you’ll have it.

That the CPC did not manage to make that change is unfortunate.

It’s a situation that one of my colleagues is in. She is fairly new to the PS (less than 10 years) and had to use all 13 weeks she had accumulated and banked to deal with preventive surgery. Thankfully some work from home time helped as she could still get some work done while at home but no way she could make it in and spend a day at work until she reached a certain healing point. In her 30s.

I find now that I am a bit older I am using most of my sick leave for follow up med and dental appointments.

We also had a situation where someone came in sick and the whole suite caught whatever cough plague she had brought in prompting management to send out a terse “if you are sick, stay home” email…

 

[brihard]

Must be nice to call in sick if you just don't feel like working.

That’s how adults are treated in most public sector employers outside of CAF.

“Hey boss, sorry to drop you a line this early, I came down with something overnight and I feel like shit. Won’t be in today, not sure about tomorrow yet but I’ll let you know”.

“Oh that sucks, ok. Get better!”

Generally after a few days or a week you need a doctor’s note to continue. Do some people abuse it for non-illness? Sure, sometimes. It’s a finite amount and those people sometimes leave themselves in a lurch when they DO get seriously ill.

For the majority who use it as intended, when they come down sick it means they can roll back over in bed and rest up rather than getting dressed, bringing whatever illness they have into a public setting, and getting some doctor or nurse to confirm that yup, they are in fact hacking up a lung and yup, they should in fact lie down, rest, and hydrate. It also means we aren’t wasting clinicians’ time getting notes because we’re down with a three days cold.

 

[lenaitch]

Historically it was inhabited by your average joes, not anymore. Either generational wealth (which generally means older people owning it), or your wealthy, not the general public. Approximately 22% of the population is a first generation Canadian (myself included). Approximately 16% of the population is a naturalized citizen. So almost 40% of the population wasn't able to be a part of owning this type of property when the prices were cheap. And thats only if your family chose to buy in, which for many families was still unaffordable. The majority of Canadians at this point never had that opportunity.

Lots of older people who believe they are entitled to the peace and quiet of a 100 acre property on a standard lot. Lots of older people get upset at younger people doing things they themselves did (or worse) when they were younger. Again it is nimbyism, driving out others for the sake of a few.

I do consider the feelings of others, however it doesn't mean they should get carte blanche on what others can or cannot do. If it's breaking the law, call the cops. If it isn't, well that's just whining.

Places like Muskoka, and likely others, were a blend of Eaton-level and smaller, much more modest cottages. Rentals weren't unheard of but were typically weekly. Periods when the cottage wasn't being used by the owner were often offered up to extended family or simply sat vacant. If there was an issue that couldn't be resolved at the time, like noise, bonfires, etc., the accountability was back to the owner who was a known entity; a neighbour. With short-term rentals and 'ghost hotels, the owner may be a numbered company or a named person no one in the area knows or who has ever seen. Weekly rentals are/were families. Short-term rentals are mostly groups of singles.

Older cottages were often handed down, but tax laws, coupled with increased assessed value has put that out of reach for many unless they have done careful planning.

We're not taking acreage. Lots in my older cottage areas like Lake Simcoe, Wasaga Beach and Tiny beaches, can be as small as 50' wide. Not all are waterfront; many are on backsteets with deeded walking access.

"Call the cops"? Unless it's shots fired, noise or nuisance complaints are pretty low priority. often they are a bylaw-only matter and most municipal bylaw departments (i.e. one or two) work business hours. When I started policing in Muskoka back in the '70s, on weekends we came on shift each with 4 or 5 calls carried over from the previous. I can't imagine what's like now in those areas.

We had a house in our last neighbourhood (non-waterfront) of acre-plus lots in Simcoe County. It was owned by somebody in Brampton nobody knew. Every weekend if was half a dozen cars in the driveway, loud music, fireworks, the lot. All bylaw infractions. I suppose the adjacent neighbours where were kept awake by it all were just whiners.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Must be nice to call in sick if you just don't feel like working.

This happens all the time in the CAF.

 

[RangerRay]

That’s how adults are treated in most public sector employers outside of CAF.

“Hey boss, sorry to drop you a line this early, I came down with something overnight and I feel like shit. Won’t be in today, not sure about tomorrow yet but I’ll let you know”.

“Oh that sucks, ok. Get better!”

Generally after a few days or a week you need a doctor’s note to continue. Do some people abuse it for non-illness? Sure, sometimes. It’s a finite amount and those people sometimes leave themselves in a lurch when they DO get seriously ill.

For the majority who use it as intended, when they come down sick it means they can roll back over in bed and rest up rather than getting dressed, bringing whatever illness they have into a public setting, and getting some doctor or nurse to confirm that yup, they are in fact hacking up a lung and yup, they should in fact lie down, rest, and hydrate. It also means we aren’t wasting clinicians’ time getting notes because we’re down with a three days cold.

Nothing gets a doctor crankier than telling him “I have the flu (COUGH) for the last two days (COUGH) and my employer wants a note from you saying I’m still sick (HACK).”

 

[brihard]

Nothing gets a doctor crankier than telling him “I have the flu (COUGH) for the last two days (COUGH) and my employer wants a note from you saying I’m still sick (HACK).”

“Good news is now your whole waiting room has it too which must be good for business, right?”

 

[MilEME09]

“Good news is now your whole waiting room has it too which must be good for business, right?”

My personal fav is people in my company forget we have GPS tracking all our fleet vehicles. Once denied someone PTO because half the team already asked for it off, sure enough calls in sick and GPS says he is at the event he wanted the time off to go to. That was a fun one with HR