Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[PrairieFella]

As Jen Gerson said, she’s being a coward for not coming right out and saying where she stands. She’s winking and nodding to the seppies while saying she wants “sovereignty association”. She’s managed to talk out of both sides of her mouth and was as subtle about it as a 2x4 between the eyes.

You know what Danielle? Just come right out and declare you’re a seppie. You’re not fooling anyone with your “I’m just asking questions” routine.

At what point does this because actual treason? Like actually, I'm curious on the legality of such.

 

[QV]

No. It doesn’t seem to be.

No? First PP's original riding... sure chalk that up to random... now immediately next going into his second riding? That is just a random event again?

No. Now the appearance is targeted.

 

[PrairieFella]

No? First PP's original riding... sure chalk that up to random... now immediately next going into his second riding? That is just a random event again?

No. Now the appearance is targeted.

It's trolling. There is blood in the water with Poilievre and they're trying to make a point. They've been around for a while and have targeted Liberals and Conservatives alike.

Personally I agree with them that we need electoral reform bad but I think it's a dumb method. That said, it's a legal protest and if they're following electoral rule, it's their right to do so.

 

[The Bread Guy]

At what point does this because actual treason? Like actually, I'm curious on the legality of such.

I'll leave it to others to parse in detail, but here's the broad strokes from the Criminal Code ....

• 46 (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada,
  
  • (a) kills or attempts to kill Her Majesty, or does her any bodily harm tending to death or destruction, maims or wounds her, or imprisons or restrains her;
  • (b) levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto; or
  • (c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are.
    
• (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada,
  
  • (a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province;
  • (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada;
  • (c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a);
  • (d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or
  • (e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act.

 

[PrairieFella]

I'll leave it to others to parse in detail, but here's the broad strokes from the Criminal Code ....

In regards to 46(2)(b), I wonder what was going on at Mar-a-lago? I suppose we'll never know.

 

[QV]

At what point does this because actual treason? Like actually, I'm curious on the legality of such.

Probably since it doesn't meet the threshold for treason outlined in the CCC and the SCC basically made it legal for a province to pursue secession.

How about this country does better as a whole instead of push provinces to the brink? Let's start there.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Thr Conservative Party seems to be completely compromised with MAGA and Russian info ops. We have one of the most secure election systems on Earth and there is no evidence of fraud but yet, here we are with them being spoonfed to believe there was some sort of fraud, very MAGA indeed.

This will be one of the mountains PP needs to climb if he wants to un-unite the left against him. Needs to find away to lead his base, not just harness them.

 

[Quirky]

Ignore the Canada Proud things just where I found the video.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919506695409000521

Perfect speech. I don't care about any hardships as long as the final direction is sound. Being willing to live with uncomfortable for a while to make long term improvements is pretty much a given in just about anything in life.

The rest of canada can continue to be a frog in slowly boiling water.

 

[PrairieFella]

This will be one of the mountains PP needs to climb if he wants to un-unite the left against him. Needs to find away to lead his base, not just harness them.

Allowing the Religious ultra-Right to dictate policy has been a disaster for Conservatives continent-wide and I say that as a practicing Catholic. These evangelical pressure groups have been the Trojan Horse for all sorts of hijinks at the provincial and federal level. Unless the PCs and High Tories unite, they're never take their parties back from the likes of Jenni Bryne and Preston Manning.

 

[PrairieFella]

Perfect speech. I don't care about any hardships as long as the final direction is sound. Being willing to live with uncomfortable for a while to make long term improvements is pretty much a given in just about anything in life.

The rest of canada can continue to be a frog in slowly boiling water.

What do you define as "long-term improvements"

 

[Halifax Tar]

Allowing the Religious ultra-Right to dictate policy has been a disaster for Conservatives continent-wide and I say that as a practicing Catholic. These evangelical pressure groups have been the Trojan Horse for all sorts of hijinks at the provincial and federal level. Unless the PCs and High Tories unite, they're never take their parties back from the likes of Jenni Bryne and Preston Manning.

What proposed policy of the CPCs is/was Religious and Ultra-Right based ?

 

[Remius]

No? First PP's original riding... sure chalk that up to random... now immediately next going into his second riding? That is just a random event again?

No. Now the appearance is targeted.

No.

Read up above a few threads of the history of these guys. They have pretty much been doing this in every by election since 2021 (ie before PP was leader).

They targeted Freeland and PP last election because they were high profile candidates.

This next by election is the only by election coming up and it’s a high profile candidate.

It’s attention seeking and trolling. Of course it’s targeted but not the way you think it is.

 

[Remius]

It's trolling. There is blood in the water with Poilievre and they're trying to make a point. They've been around for a while and have targeted Liberals and Conservatives alike.

Personally I agree with them that we need electoral reform bad but I think it's a dumb method. That said, it's a legal protest and if they're following electoral rule, it's their right to do so.

This.

It’s a weird way of protesting.

 

[dapaterson]

The longest ballot folks are the equivalent of the Cpl or Capt who found a weird regulation and is being very public and very proud that they are showcasing it, regardless of its relevance.

 

[PrairieFella]

What proposed policy of the CPCs is/was Religious and Ultra-Right based ?

I'm not talking policy, I'm talking direction. Do you think Jason Kenney would be entertaining any of this separatist stuff? Do you think it would have any life politically if the Right wing of the Wildrose Party hadn't co-opted the UCP? Groups like Take Back Alberta are funneled money by American religious interest groups who then push their agendas and portray it as "the grassroots". Here's a decent rundown by the National Observer.

The far-right’s takeover of the UCP is now complete

The membership of Alberta's United Conservative Party seems determined to drag the province back to the 1950s, and Premier Danielle Smith may not be able (or willing) to stop it. Just remember, Alberta conservatives: You wanted this.

www.nationalobserver.com

And that's just Alberta.

 

[Remius]

What proposed policy of the CPCs is/was Religious and Ultra-Right based ?

I don’t think he mentioned policies per se. Just the influence that some religious groups can have or are perceived to have.

“Evangelicals at the elite level are a really important part of the conservative infrastructure,” Bean said. “So if you look at his own mentors, people like Stockwell Day [and] Preston Manning, [Poilievre] is not himself an evangelical, but he’s surrounded by people who are.
“He’s always going to have to at least play nice with the socially conservative wing of the party. And there are so many powerful evangelicals in the Conservative Party, and they’re so important to the base, that it’s always going to be a recurring thing. I think sometimes people say, ‘Oh, is Canadian politics becoming Americanized?’ No. This is a recurring, longstanding pattern in Canadian politics. It’s always just beneath the surface.“

In groundbreaking move, Poilievre campaigns among evangelical Christians - National | Globalnews.ca

In three recent appearances at evangelical Christian churches, Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre received blessings and made pitches for votes.

globalnews.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Allowing the Religious ultra-Right to dictate policy has been a disaster for Conservatives continent-wide and I say that as a practicing Catholic. These evangelical pressure groups have been the Trojan Horse for all sorts of hijinks at the provincial and federal level. Unless the PCs and High Tories unite, they're never take their parties back from the likes of Jenni Bryne and Preston Manning.

One of the biggest issues that I have had in getting behind the new CPC since the merger is the underlying religious bent within it. Personally I believe in God and attend church but I believe strongly in the separation of Church and State and this includes the education system here in Ontario.

 

[QV]

I'm not talking policy, I'm talking direction. Do you think Jason Kenney would be entertaining any of this separatist stuff? Do you think it would have any life politically if the Right wing of the Wildrose Party hadn't co-opted the UCP? Groups like Take Back Alberta are funneled money by American religious interest groups who then push their agendas and portray it as "the grassroots". Here's a decent rundown by the National Observer.

The far-right’s takeover of the UCP is now complete

The membership of Alberta's United Conservative Party seems determined to drag the province back to the 1950s, and Premier Danielle Smith may not be able (or willing) to stop it. Just remember, Alberta conservatives: You wanted this.

www.nationalobserver.com

And that's just Alberta.

I don't know what your whining about. Practically everyone on this forum and polling suggests there is zero chance Alberta separates.

If there are enough signatures and the question gets put to a referendum, that is a great example of democracy.

No matter which way the referendum goes I want major issues like this to be voted on by the people. If it's a clear result in "NO" than everyone can STFU and carry on. If it's a clear "YES" then the process begins. Isn't that how free countries are supposed to work?

 

[Remius]

The whole thing is going to put PP in awkward spot running in Alberta. No doubt he’ll be asked to weigh in on any Alberta referendum talk. How he handles it will be something that will stick nationally.

 

[QV]

I categorize them together as they're hegemonic superpowers who follow the realist schools of international relations, especially since the US election. They have no friends, they have interests. If it's in their interest to interfere amongst the Chinese diaspora in the GTA, they will. If it's in their interest to foment unrest and fund a separatist movement in Alberta, they will. As a middle power we should be equally wary of both and negotiate with both on the best terms possible.

That's just realpolitik, we didn't choose the cards the Americans and the Chinese are dealing. I'd prefer the Liberal Realism or English Rationalism of the last century but that died in Nov of 2024.

That's nice. Is it lost on you that we have fundamentally different relationships with those two superpowers?

I'm betting a majority of people on this site, including myself, have deployed side-by-side with the American military. We are in mutual defence of one-another, we share a border, we share values and culture. Can you say the same for the CCP and China?

The Trump rhetoric put on boost by disingenuous media has really impacted some of you.