Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Quirky]

I hate to defend Carny but I feel like much of his cabinet has been pampered and coddled and never really expected to deliver much.

Liberals went from a soy boy PM to one with actual business experience and thousands of meetings under his belt.

 

[PrairieFella]

Good. These people are politicians to lead and they're being held accountable to that. The more I hear, the more cautiously optimistic I get with Carney. Sounds like some good news is coming out of the Premiers and PM meeting in Sask too.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Requiring people to do the pre-reading is one of the things I liked about PET, and is something to like about MC.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Typical municipal infrastructure isn't nation-building.

True in a broad sense, but pumping $ into infrastructure to lift all boats has off and on been suggested by both sides of the political spectrum.

Almost all communities in or adjacent to existing municipalities and metro areas already do pretty well for infrastructure.

Those aren't the First Nations with the long-standing boil water advisories, though.

What does that leave for the sum of the population with the kinds of requirements listed, I wonder?

If we believe PBO, they said in 2021 that "the total funding needed to meet current and future (sewer & water) needs on reserve from the period of 2016-2017 to 2025-2026 to be approximately $7.4 billion," or about $740M a year in 2021 bucks ($1.1B a year in this-year bucks according to the BoC inflation calculator).

We don't have enough funds to avoid triaging projects for maximum benefit.

True enough, but when one of the mega-projects might be the Ring of Fire, well, it only takes one community with aggressive legal counsel to gum up those works. And the grumbling is already pretty organized as of this week ....

Ontario MPP ejected from debate for claiming Ford is telling ‘untruths’ about Bill 5 | Globalnews.ca

The government has faced fierce pushback to its proposed law to create special economic zones to fast-track priority infrastructure projects in the province.

globalnews.ca

First Nations rally against Bill 5

Opposition MPP Sol Mamakwa terms government amendments 'unserious and worse than useless.'

www.snnewswatch.com

Rallies held in northern Ont. opposing Bill 5

Protests were held at Queen’s Park and accross northern Ontario on Monday opposing Bill 5.

www.ctvnews.ca

Some of the commentariat are saying that getting it done right with everyone on side early could be easier and cheaper than ploughing ahead and dealing with litigation later.

Also, with all the mentions of PMJT's seeming ignorance of all those advisories on reserves around here when criticizing the previous Red captain, I thought that would be a priority for at least some, right?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Liberals went from a soy boy PM to one with actual business experience and thousands of meetings under his belt.

It will be interesting to watch him manage his cabinet members and their... proclivities.

It will also be interesting to watch him deliver on his lofty promises.

 

[daftandbarmy]

It will be interesting to watch him manage his cabinet members and their... proclivities.

It will also be interesting to watch him deliver on his lofty promises.

Good thing the levitating unicorn does 'lofty' really well

 

[Halifax Tar]

Good thing the levitating unicorn does 'lofty' really well

Did you notice your .gif is shitting ?

 

[Jarnhamar]

First Nations don’t have a veto over nation-building projects, Mark Carney’s justice minister says


Uh oh.

 

[PrairieFella]

First Nations don’t have a veto over nation-building projects, Mark Carney’s justice minister says


Uh oh.

Certainly not the rhetoric most of us expected from the LPC. The indigenous leadership keeps citing Idle No More but they're making the mistake of assuming the political climate is the same, which it isn't. They'll find far less allies this time around if they're blockading roads over railroads and transmission lines while we're being threatened.

 

[Czech_pivo]

True that.

Certainly not the rhetoric most of us expected from the LPC. The indigenous leadership keeps citing Idle No More but they're making the mistake of assuming the political climate is the same, which it isn't. They'll find far less allies this time around if they're blockading roads over railroads and transmission lines while we're being threatened.

 

[The Bread Guy]

First Nations don’t have a veto over nation-building projects, Mark Carney’s justice minister says

Good catch - also archived here if the original link doesn't work.

In a way, it's "old news" in that a lot of former Ministers have said duty to consult =/= a FN veto - so have a couple of SCOC decisions (here & here). Maybe true on paper, but in practice, it can - all depends on how the question is asked re: "has there been ENOUGH accommodation offered?". The latest context makes the Minister saying it out loud sound spicier than usual.

It'll also be interesting to see how the first Indigenous Minister of Indigenous Services handles any questions on this one. If she hasn't already, she'll soon learn why other Indigenous folks before her have been reluctant to take the post.

Will Team Red 2.0 be willing to take some national heat on some projects (contrary to Team Red 1.0 brand, but if he really wants to be different than PMJT, this is one big way), or are they planning to pave the way to ... persuade FNs who may object? We'll see ...

 

[PrairieFella]

The border security bill has some massive implications. There will be a lot less refugee claimants eligible to be heard by the board with the new measures if passed.
1. Claims would be ineligible under 101(1) of IRPA if they attempt to claim asylum over a year after entering Canada after June 24, 2020.

2. Claims would be ineligible under 101(1) of IRPA if they enter Canada irregularly (ie border jumpers) and make a claim after 14 days of entrance.

Interestingly enough, they're already ineligible if they apply before 14 days under the STCA (A101(1)(e)) so this bill will essentially make it impossible for border jumpers to claim asylum. I wonder if there will be a carve out that will allow them to apply at POEs. Probably not.

 

[brihard]

The border security bill has some massive implications. There will be a lot less refugee claimants eligible to be heard by the board with the new measures if passed.
1. Claims would be ineligible under 101(1) of IRPA if they attempt to claim asylum over a year after entering Canada after June 24, 2020.

2. Claims would be ineligible under 101(1) of IRPA if they enter Canada irregularly (ie border jumpers) and make a claim after 14 days of entrance.

Interestingly enough, they're already ineligible if they apply before 14 days under the STCA so this bill will essentially make it impossible for border jumpers to claim asylum. I wonder if there will be a carve out that will allow them to apply at POEs. Probably not.

I’ve only read the summary so far, and there’s probably a half dozen or more points that caught my eye on first pass. I’ll try to read the bill tonight if I have the chance. There may be some initially modest looking things in there that have a real impact.

 

[YZT580]

That's what I meant re: DTC doesn't give a veto, at least by that name, anyway.

Key words from the legislation are these (all highlights mine)
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... while The Supremes say this:
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One law firm with a history of representing particularly activist FNs says this:

All that legalese aside, it still comes back to as little as one FN with enough resources to litigate to the hilt.

with a little financial help from the normal suspects

 

[The Bread Guy]

with a little financial help from the normal suspects

Financial help, persuasion, poh-TAY-toe, poh-TAH-toe ....

I have lived with a well for 60 years so yes, I have no problem with people taking the initiative and providing for their own health

And since people living on reserve are, in a real (and oversimplified sense), tenants of Canada (since they can't own their own lots), you don't think the landlord would be liable if some folks got sick from bad well water? And since the government already pays for collective water treatment, who's going to be asked to pay? Not as simple as places where a homeowner owns the house and the land it's on.

 

[MilEME09]

The Strong Borders Act - Government of Canada strengthens border security - Canada.ca

The Bill will strengthen our laws and keep Canadians safe by ensuring law enforcement has the right tools to keep our borders secure, combat transnational organized crime, stop the flow of illegal fentanyl, and crack down on money laundering.

www.canada.ca

have to say this is more detailed then I thought it would be for Carney's first major piece of legislation

 

[Haggis]

The Strong Borders Act - Government of Canada strengthens border security - Canada.ca

The Bill will strengthen our laws and keep Canadians safe by ensuring law enforcement has the right tools to keep our borders secure, combat transnational organized crime, stop the flow of illegal fentanyl, and crack down on money laundering.

www.canada.ca

have to say this is more detailed then I thought it would be for Carney's first major piece of legislation

It's an ambitious Bill, but achievable. I would've liked to see an expansion of CBSA's authorities to cover between ports of entry and the implementation of full-time peace officer powers. It's also the first concrete mention of how he plans to grow the CBSA. What's missing is rhe timeline for the growth of both the RCMP and CBSA.

Another interesting piece was the expanded roles for the CCG. Fisheries already has an armed presence on the oceans with the fish cops. Does Carney now envision eventually arming the CCG?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Did you notice your .gif is shitting ?

Now that you mention it

 

[MilEME09]

Another interesting piece was the expanded roles for the CCG. Fisheries already has an armed presence on the oceans with the fish cops. Does Carney now envision eventually arming the CCG?

That was my first question, will the 2 coast guard AOPS's now be armed? will they get drones for arctic patrols?


in other news, Conservative staffer in hot water while fundraising

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-recount-fundraising-call-1.7549963

 

[Jarnhamar]

Liberals downplay narrowly lost vote demanding spring budget

The Liberals downplayed a vote on the throne speech they narrowly lost Monday evening to all the opposition parties which urges the government to present an economic update or a budget before the House of Commons rises for the summer on June 20.

The Liberals really don't want Canadians to see the numbers.

Mark Gerretsen, the chief government whip who is responsible for ensuring that Liberal MPs attend and vote in the way the party desires, insisted nothing went wrong.

This is what i hate about our system. Your MP is supposed to represent you but they're party slaves.