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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

The Germans also suffered a massive green energy boondoggle that cost the nation huge and they are forced to reopen coal plants.

Before you generalize, remember the Germans fuck up too.

They also continue to struggle with their penchant towards a disastrously misguided sympathetic approach to Russia and, as a result, should probably not be trusted until they sort that out...

 
Results matter guys. Lets see what happens by Xmas.

First maybe real win for Carney is this deal(s) with Germany for critical minerals (please, please get the ring of fire open, Ford) and subs from Germany? I am no sub guy but Germany makes good stuff.
Results also take time, and many critics of the PM seem to have no patience.
 
Results also take time, and many critics of the PM seem to have no patience.
He was the one (PM MC) that promised big things at speeds not seen before.

If he plummets in the polls, no excusing his performance will bail him out.
 
In 2024, this was voted on (Palestine statehood recognition) and turned down. So come again? How is this not required? Also, I agree its not easily solved over summer but Uncle Mark stated Canada would recognize Palestine as a state. This summer he said it.
That was a non-binding motion introduced by the NDP. A non-binding Parliamentary motion is simply a procedure by which the House of Commons can vote to put its stamp on some idea or principle. No Parliamentary action is actually required to permit Canada to diplomatically recognize the existence of a foreign state.

In the last parliament, there were numerous occasions were parliamentary committees would go totally sideways with an abuse of "point of order" pauses (Iqra Khalid was terrible for this), childish outburst (Nathaniel Erskine-Smith openly swore at the conservatives in committee) and downright stall tactics (Many of the STDC and arrivescam studies kept getting meetings halted early by Liberal-NDP votes whenever some uncomfortable facts came up).

The parliamentary committee on the status for women turned into an absolute shitshow when Katelyn Alexander (domestic abuse victim who nearly died), was cut off during her testimony by Liberal MP Anita Vandenbelde (she pushed a motion to change the committee discussion to abortion in the MIDDLE of Kate's testimony on a point of order), Anita later apoligized for her disgraceful behaviour.

Now that the NDP is out of play (if they are on committee, its purely a courtesy as they don't have party status now), the Conservatives and Bloc can keep the Liberals feet to the fire.
Sure, they can study stuff and make reports, and may be able to do so with slightly less theatrics? Though I’m not sold that the theatrics are dependent on one party or another. So are you saying that studies and reports are what we need in these issues?

What about the bill that pretty much forces them to release accused on bail? I forget the name of the bill, it gets brought up over and over again. You obviously have first hand experience with this, so fill me in (not with OC spray either), the bail bill that allows repeat offenders out over and over again to keep committing crimes, not federal government legislation? The police chiefs (of Ontario I think it was) were even up in arms about this last year or during the election.

Bill C-49. That was in 2019 I believe. The biggest pet of that is it took various case law that had evolved across the provinces and at SCC and it codified it into law to add clarity and certainty. It did at a principle of restraint to encourage release on bail; it also gave more powers to police to impose enforceable conditions on police undertakings so we can basically handle more simple cases ourself rather than send minor offences to bail court to get the same conditions.

The challenge with bail reform is that reasonable bail is a Charter right. That puts certain constraints on what legislation can do. However we have all kinds of offences or circumstances where there’s a reverse onus. The law as it stands allows prosecutors to request a lot more and for courts to grant a lot more to hold someone in custody than they actually do- and that comes right back to court and remand capacity. For my money, you want to make a fast dent? Work on making sure the right accused are held in custody with the current capacity, and meanwhile work rapidly to expand provincial court capacity, provincial crown prosecutors, and provincial remand centers so that bail court and jail capacity figure less prominently in decisions to grant bail.

Now, is there room to legislate improvement? Absolutely- and since C-49 that’s already happened once in early 2024. They swung the pendulum back a bit from the 2019 reforms, expanded reverse onus for violent weapons offences and intimate partner violence, and codified that the courts have to state on the record that public safety has been considered. So there was a recognition that there needed to be some further correction.

I can’t say with any expertise what the next step might be. I will say that parties in opposition have a bad habit of trying to make hay with proposed legislation that sounds good politically but that we know would faceplant into the Charter (see: mandatory minimums).

I’m or co Vince’s any such issue would have been a summer emergency that would call for Parliament to continue sitting, and that would consume the time and resources of the Department of Justice who are already jammed up on border and synthetic drug stuff.
 
He was the one (PM MC) that promised big things at speeds not seen before.

If he plummets in the polls, no excusing his performance will bail him out.
This is why minority governments suck.

I would much rather a government that plans for the long term regardless of polls, setting up Canada for long term prosperity and success rather than a government that does flashy but unsustainable policies that give it a bump in the polls short term but isn't well thought out for the long term.
 
Bail is heard in provincial courts with provincially appointed Justices of the Peace, or very occasionally a judge for a bail review.
And they have to follow federal bail law. If the law says they must grant bail almost by default, they have to grant it. It doesn't matter if they're federal or provincial courts.
 
This is why minority governments suck.
Unfortunately I agree. However it what happens when not enough people trust the lead party.

If you think PM MC has a rough go on minority government, if Pierre becomes PM on a minority government, they will get destroyed.
 
I'll admit that "international reputation" isn't the same thing as whether or not we are "taken seriously", but there certainly are overlaps. What really irks me is the constant blathering from those on the right in Canada (not specifically you, Rick, but this comment echoes it) claiming that Canada is seen as a "joke" and a "failing country" within the international community.

Evidence (meaning actual international opinion) would say otherwise:

#1 Reputation (tied with Switzerland) - RepCor Nations 2025 (RepCore Nations 2025 Ranking: Switzerland Leads, USA Drops)
#1 Country with the best international reputation - Reptrak report 2025 shown on World Atlas (Most Loved Countries In The World)
#4 Best country in the world - U.S. News 2024 rankings (https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings)
#4 Best country in the world - World Population Review 2025 (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-countries)
Have a watch

 
Unfortunately I agree. However it what happens when not enough people trust the lead party.

If you think PM MC has a rough go on minority government, if Pierre becomes PM on a minority government, they will get destroyed.
I mean, thankfully, I don't think PMMC is here listening to any of us, and due to the decimation of the NDP, isn't overly worried about the polls.

He has the time to plan for the long term, and to perform structural changes going forward that I hope will leave Canada in a stronger and more prosperous place. I hope he ignores the pundits and you, and me, and everyone else in the peanut gallery and just gets on with the job.
 
In 2024, this was voted on (Palestine statehood recognition) and turned down. So come again? How is this not required? Also, I agree its not easily solved over summer but Uncle Mark stated Canada would recognize Palestine as a state. This summer he said it.
The Liberal Party was extremely divided on the issue, the NDP were on the cusp of growing a pair, and the pundits et al were applying relentless pressure. Faced with actual pushback and a threat to the government that vote was a typically callous, self-serving and arrogant Trudeau show vote for purely political reasons. And of course my descriptor does a good job of describing the Trudeau Liberals.

So that is not a great precedent, based as it was on the Trudeau trademark of a lack of seriousness and an arrogant, smug, and self-righteous kabuki theatre.
 
And they have to follow federal bail law. If the law says they must grant bail almost by default, they have to grant it. It doesn't matter if they're federal or provincial courts.
A default presumption towards bail was the case long before bill C-49. As I said above that’s a Charter issue. There are LOTS of exceptions to that presumption, they still exist, our provincial jails are literally packed with people remanded in custody, and our bail courts are running significant delays in holding bail hearings due to volume exceeding capacity. A lot of the angst on this issue seems to imagine that our jails are empty. They definitely aren’t.
 
I'm more of a fan of the Battletech Universe when it comes to bipeds or quadruped design, some even utilize tracks.
I like the C&C /Tiberium timeline and approach to tech- one generation going with walkers and then switching back to more conventional wheeled/tracked because of canonically identified weaknesses in walkers (cost, complexity, leg vulnerability)
 
I like the C&C /Tiberium timeline and approach to tech- one generation going with walkers and then switching back to more conventional wheeled/tracked because of canonically identified weaknesses in walkers (cost, complexity, leg vulnerability)
Austin Powers Nerd GIF
 
A default presumption towards bail was the case long before bill C-49. As I said above that’s a Charter issue. There are LOTS of exceptions to that presumption, they still exist, our provincial jails are literally packed with people remanded in custody, and our bail courts are running significant delays in holding bail hearings due to volume exceeding capacity. A lot of the angst on this issue seems to imagine that our jails are empty. They definitely aren’t.
100% this ^

I can't speak for any other province, but with the exception of the new Edmonton Remand Center (Canada's largest & newest prison btw, it's faannccyyy!) there were only ever a handful of remand beds available at each of our provincial jails - and most of those were close to being maxed out usually

Sometimes the wiggle room for whether a certain region could accept more remand inmates was down to literally 1 bed.

(Not sure what the local police would have done if we were so full we couldn't have housed any addtional inmates? Or if the ERC hadn't been opened. Sure, a mattress on the floor for a 3rd for a few days works, but it isn't doable for the long term. I guess that actually isn't their problem to fix tho, so I don't know) 🤷‍♂


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My point is that Brihard is right - provincial jails are at max capacity or near it, and the number of people requiring to be remanded is only going way way way up...

Mass immigration, a massive economic downturn, fewer & fewer jobs, the jobs that do open up are filled by a foreigner flown over to work for cheap, the escalating cost of living, various financial & social pressures, etc means we have way more people & far stronger underlying conditions for those people to act out in unpredictable ways

I hope the provinces are all investing in expanding their remand capacities as their populations explode. Populations grow faster than jails do, and we've seen what that kinda looks like
 
I hope the provinces are all investing in expanding their remand capacities as their populations explode. Populations grow faster than jails do, and we've seen what that kinda looks like
They will just blame the situation on the Feds, as will the punditocracy and the Opposition Parties. That avoids the requirement to actually provide resources and a plan, but satisfies the need to yell at something in order to shift the blame.

Politicians of ALL STRIPES will always hit the easy button, until they can't get away with that anymore . I think that may be the point that PMMC is at.
 
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