Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[MilEME09]

Circling back and speaking about TFWs, Smith continues to not read the room....I wouldn't wanna be praising a company that replaced 30% of its work force with TFWs after a strike

Smith calls Alberta slaughterhouse accused of exploiting foreign workers 'positive example' for other businesses

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has raised some eyebrows after singing the praises of rural Alberta slaughterhouse accused of exploiting TFWs

nationalpost.com

 

[MilEME09]

So first, he wins 80% of BRC riding, still not enough for you. We get it. Your never gonna vote pierre.

Next he has leadership review AFTER a fall sitting in parliament. Watch and see what happens. I suspect Pierre will spank him (Carney) hard and that will feed positively into his staying as leader of the CPC.

The ones who feel Pierre is unelectable and not suitable for Prime Minister are people like you who would never vote for him anyways, but you Liberals are all shook up and afraid. Your afraid because Pierre is excellent with numbers and stats, he embarrassed the hell out of Trudeau with facts and numbers. AS the hangover of Trump dominated election wears off and Canadian swing voters experience buyers remorse, realizing all the same problems are still there and now worse, its not gonna go well for Carney.

As for the "unlikableness" of Pierre. Another reminder, Carney Liberals beat Pierre Conservatives in the national vote count 43% to 41%. Read that again. Thats a political hairline, and with CBC and the MSM wanting to protect their funding/subsidies, they sure as hell pitched in on Team Carney.

And I will bring it up again, Martin beat Harper in 2004 and then lost to him in 2006. I remember those elections quite well. Liberal complacency and arrogance was very strong and it cost them big time, I see history repeating itself.

Wins his riding at 80%? Buddy hate to tell you but a rubber duck with a CPC logo could of won BRC too. The man has the lowest popularity of any conservative leader since Harper. All those leaders won their ridings too but lost elections. Pierre was also polling better during the election, now? He tanked during and then continued to. If you think he is the best choice when people he polls worse than Otoole and Scheer, then I dont think you understand the problem here. Historically no leader has won an election with less than 25% likability. You can bring up 2006 but the sponsorship scandal is dead, there is no major smoking gun to hurt the liberals.

 

[brihard]

It is also quite clever / Machiavellian. Disavowing the Trudeau government will undercut the Opposition efforts to pin the Trudeau years on Carney.

Didn’t think of that angle but you’re right. We keep hearing about the “Trudeau-Carney Liberals”. Taking the wind out of those sails is politically advantageous and will give room for their own current and tangible policy and actions to have life breathed into them- if in fact they follow through.

 

[ArmyRick]

Buddy hate to tell you but a rubber duck with a CPC logo could of won BRC too

No such things as a safe riding. Pierre held Carleton for twenty years

The man has the lowest popularity of any conservative leader since Harper

Harper was so unpopular that he won three elections in a row including a majority? And remember Pierre increased the seat count for the CPC. The Liberals did better in 2025, thats it.

You can bring up 2006 but the sponsorship scandal is dead, there is no major smoking gun to hurt the liberals.

Arrive Scam, STDC, Ballooning deficits, its a long list. Its gonna bite them in the ass sooner or later unless Mark gets a miracle win soon. These Liberals have a whole slew of their scandals.

Its TRENDS I am discussing and you are validating my point about arrogance and complacency. You think the Carney Liberals are safe and people like you, I suspect, are desperately trying to trash Pierre because you know he will rip apart the Liberals in parliament.

You can keep wishing, but events as some say, like not getting anything done will hurt the Carney Liberals.

 

[ArmyRick]

I think it would be a little bit foolish to predict how the next federal election is going to go when we cannot predict what Trump is going to do tomorrow, never mind next week, never mind 2 or 3 years from now.

As they say, we can predict everything, except the future.

I can't predict the future. I throw what I say can happen. Like a football coach trying to predict how a play will go.

I have said it before and say it again. Carney has a chance to stomp out Pierre hard and make him irrelevant. He gets some big wins and I think he needs them fast. If he manages to secure an acceptable deal with Trump and renegotiates USMCA to a satisfactory level, he can absolutely neuter Poilievre.

However, I am concerned that his advisors are some of the same buffoons that advised the last batch of Liberals, I hope not.

 

[ArmyRick]

arliament should be sitting just because s

ALL bills, motions, repeals, etc happen in a sitting parliament

The opposition parties get to ask questions and yes, answers are many times not answered but its on the media for all of Canada to see.

It wasn't one thing that forced Trudeau to resign.

 

[MilEME09]

No such things as a safe riding. Pierre held Carleton for twenty years

Yes there is, BRC consistently has always been 80%+ conservative, its impossible to lose there. Thats why Pierre ran there after voters in Carleton kicked him to the curb.

Harper was so unpopular that he won three elections in a row including a majority?

Wrong again, 44.9% leading into the 2008 election, 40% in 2011, and 38% in 2014.

Arrive Scam, STDC, Ballooning deficits, its a long list. Its gonna bite them in the ass sooner or later unless Mark gets a miracle win soon. These Liberals have a whole slew of their scandals.

And none have had the staying power of the sponsorship scandal. Just like all the CPC scandals during the Harper years, they were out of the news within months.

Its TRENDS I am discussing and you are validating my point about arrogance and complacency. You think the Carney Liberals are safe and people like you, I suspect, are desperately trying to trash Pierre because you know he will rip apart the Liberals in parliament.

Rip apart parliament is the only thing he knows how to do, he's an attack dog, not a leader, and he consistently one of the top 5 on social media spreading misinformation.

You can keep wishing, but events as some say, like not getting anything done will hurt the Carney Liberals.

Parliament hasn't even come back from.summer recess yet and you already declared back in May he isnt getting anything done. Despite evidence to the contrary.

 

[brihard]

No such things as a safe riding. Pierre held Carleton for twenty years

And he never took more than 56%, and hasnmt crossed 50% since 2015. Carletons was a safe-ish riding, but under the FPTP system was in play. While he accomplished something exceptional in losing it, it was still an edge case that was at least conceivable even if few of us conceived of it.

BRC, and all of the parties that over the years have combined to form what it is now, have consistently run at least 70% and usually well over 80% for whatever the dominant Conservative party(ies) at the time have been. Claiming it’s not a “safe” CPC riding is hilarious. It defines the very term. Poilievre was handed the riding that historically had the smallest possible chance of anything but a CPC win, backed by decades of electoral history. Altair - or my Golden Retriver - could have run there for the CPC and would have taken at least 75% of the vote.

Actually a Golden Retriever would probably do well in a lot of ridings…

 

[ArmyRick]

Yes there is, BRC consistently has always been 80%

If he hadn't campaigned as well, he would probably be down around 50-70% and Bonnie would have done much better. NEVER take a riding for granted. Look how many flips happened. A flip can happen anywhere.

Wrong again, 44.9% leading into the 2008 election, 40% in 2011, and 38% in 2014.

Yet, they were still ahead of the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc.

Rip apart parliament is the only thing he knows how to do, he's an attack dog, not a leader, and he consistently one of the top 5 on social media spreading misinformation.

That is just your OPINION. What you call rip apart, I call rip apart. It hurt Trudeau's standing and forced him to resign.

Parliament hasn't even come back from.summer recess yet and you already declared back in May he isnt getting anything done. Despite evidence to the contrary.

Go back and read what i said about uncle Mark. You obviously didn't. I had sang praise for Mark as an OK choice for PM (I would have preferred Pierre) and he still way better than Trudeau.

 

[IKnowNothing]

The key to being an effective attack dog is having an angle to attack that actually resonates with the electorate. The issue(s) has(ve) to matter to people, it has to be tangible, and it has to actually be defensibly valid. The attacker has to credible, someone that the electorate wants to listen to. The attackee has to be someone the electorate is in the mood to attack. The electorate has to be in a mood to care, to want to blame.

Justin Trudeau was a loudly incompetent scandal ridden PM who presided over some extremely tough times for Canadians- inflation spiking, interest rates rising, while trying to advance a change agenda beyond what people wanted to accept. An easy target providing weekly legitimate avenues of attack, with a highly stressed out audience.

Right now, housing prices are (currently) falling slightly, having been steady for the better part of three years. Rents are coming down. Inflation is stable. Interest rates are in an acceptable range. Fuel is under $1.30. We've gone from a very loud crisis impacting a lot of people in a big way, to a steady state with a much quieter crisis impacting fewer people.

Mark Carney to this point, seems to be a much quieter operator, displaying (very early) signs of competence in delivering on key issues, while dialing down the change agenda, and is facing a much calmer electorate. If he keeps doing that, and overall conditions don't worsen, it's going to be a lot harder for PP to duplicate the traction from last time around.

 

[MilEME09]

Looks like major pipelines aren't as urgent as some would say, capacity unlikely to max out with current growth until 2030

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/trans-mountain-crude-pipelines-1.7619646

 

[lenaitch]

I realize we are what would normally be summer recess anyway, but I much prefer our PM and entourage connecting with international partners/potential customers, re-establishing international relationships that the last tenant either ignored or pissed-off, and trying to stabilize trade relationships that Donald the First has wrecked. I would rather that than being tied down for public theatre.

No doubt there is some piece of legislation needed somewhere that requires Parliament to sit, but Ministers can still minister, committees can still sit and Cabinet can still regulate.

 

[lenaitch]

I can see the Fed's holding up Churchill and saying, 'see, this is what can be achieved when the Federal, Provincial, Ingenious and Local communities all work together towards a common goal.'

Its a rare thing when both Provincial and Ingenious sides are on side and moving the ball downfield together. This needs to be taken advantage of and used as a positive example.

Things get done when Ingenious people get involved.

 

[Altair]

He gets some big wins and I think he needs them fast. If he manages to secure an acceptable deal with Trump and renegotiates USMCA to a satisfactory level, he can absolutely neuter Poilievre.

I would rather Carney take the time to do things right, as opposed to working fast and needing to do things twice.

The opposition parties get to ask questions and yes, answers are many times not answered but its on the media for all of Canada to see.

Far be it for me to talk down about the usefulness of parliament, but I don't think many Canadians miss the toxic, childish, ill tempered and immature spectacal that is question period. The heckling, the yelling over one another, the repeated calls for order and for adults to act like adults, its not the draw I think you believe it is. I think a class full of 5 year olds behave better and have better manners than the adults of question period and it's not even close.

 

[MilEME09]

If he hadn't campaigned as well, he would probably be down around 50-70% and Bonnie would have done much better. NEVER take a riding for granted. Look how many flips happened. A flip can happen anywhere.

Campaigned better? he showed up for only 1 of the candidate debates, not only that but the CPC bussed people in from other ridings to fill those debates, taking seats away from locals who could actually vote in the riding.

Yet, they were still ahead of the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc.

exactly my counter point, you said they weren't

That is just your OPINION. What you call rip apart, I call rip apart. It hurt Trudeau's standing and forced him to resign.

and it worked because he had a lightning rod, look how well the same tactic worked on Carney? he lost a 20 point lead, lost the election and his seat. He isn't a unifying voice, again and this isnt an opinion he is one of the top people pushing misinformation on social media.

Go back and read what i said about uncle Mark. You obviously didn't. I had sang praise for Mark as an OK choice for PM (I would have preferred Pierre) and he still way better than Trudeau.

Your praise is extremely minor and undercut by your perceived opinion of inaction, and lack of results, yet since being elected he eliminated the consumer carbon tax as promised, lowered taxes as promised, removed GST for first time home buyers as promised, Passed bill C-5, bill C6, and C7 got us to, and past the 2% GDP NATO target, reducing operational spending by 15%.

Policy Area	Key Actions & Impact
Environment & Taxation	Repealed consumer carbon tax; tax cuts for income and first-time homebuyers
Infrastructure & Trade	One Canadian Economy Act—removes trade barriers and accelerates megaprojects
Fiscal Reform	New budget structure; operating budget to balance; strategic capital investments
Defense	Meets NATO 2% GDP target early, modernize military assets
Trade	Higher tariffs on Chinese steel; eased U.S. tariffs (except autos, steel, aluminum)
Foreign Policy	Strong support for Ukraine; high-profile visit to Kyiv, signed agreements with Sweden, Poland, Indonesia, and Germany
Public Service	Productivity review; Office of Digital Transformation
Energy & Immigration	Supports pipeline and carbon capture; adjusted immigration intake levels

The majority of your posts however are negative towards his government, claiming they haven't done anything and that he will soon flounder, with no evidence to support that other than your opinion.

 

[ArmyRick]

that he will soon flounder, with no evidence to support that other than your opinion.

Time will be my evidence FOR or AGAINST my argument. Unlike you, I fully acknowledge I may be dead wrong.

I seem to remember a few years ago, many folks here defending Trudeau to the last breath, and look where that went. I suppose you think Pierre had nothing to do with it.

I will say something that will stick in your craw, you are very partisan, I am not.

Why do I say I am not? If Pierre had a much lower vote support, I would pack his bags myself at Stornaway. If he loses next election, whenever or changes his tune in the wrong direction, again I will be the first in line to pack his bags and tell him to get resume in order.

Most of what you wrote was opinions BTW.

 

[ArmyRick]

Lets leave it at this unless you got some eye opening information or views.

You either agree with Pierre or you don't. I see alot of subjective views on him (like damn near every post about him) and unlike PM Carney (where there is real tangible timelines and goals we can measure him against), it gets very "eye of the beholder" to judge a leader of the opposition.
One sees a vicious partisan driven attack dog, another sees someone holding the minority government to account for their actions or inactions.

 

[Altair]

I will say something that will stick in your craw, you are very partisan, I am not.

I think many people would call you a lot of things, ArmyRick, some good, some bad.

But I don't think anyone would call you non partisan.

 

[ArmyRick]

I think many people would call you a lot of things, ArmyRick, some good, some bad.

But I don't think anyone would call you non partisan.

I say I am because I have voted Conservative, Reform, NDP, Green (several occasions) and independents over the years.

There is very much a reality where I vote for Carney's brand of Liberals. Lets see, he has time to win me over. I was so damn close to voting Paul Martin Liberals in 2004, like a hairline decision.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Lets leave it at this unless you got some eye opening information or views.

You either agree with Pierre or you don't. I see alot of subjective views on him (like damn near every post about him) and unlike PM Carney (where there is real tangible timelines and goals we can measure him against), it gets very "eye of the beholder" to judge a leader of the opposition.

Are winning your own seat and winning elections not real tangible goals?