Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[YZT580]

No, you just aren't engaging with the initial post n good faith. You're pretending that t's a 13b investment divided by the initial batch of 4000 homes and nothing else. Right in this threat without you having to click anything there are already a couple posts offering further details that make it very clear this will be a much longer term and larger sustained plan, and also that it has multiple facets beyond just building that first batch of homes on federal lands.

I understand your extreme skepticism regarding everything to do with this current government, and that's fine, but you can definitely do better than what you just attempted.

True but the statement is a 13Billion initial investment to construct 4000 homes. Whilst there may be others down the line and there should be he is initiating another bottomless undertaking. Sure they are talking of homeless shelters and all the other needed social necessities but they don't belong in a housing budget. The question for me is what are these 4000 homes going to cost and what are the plans for the balance of the fund. Without that it is just another Trudeauism.

 

[MilEME09]

True but the statement is a 13Billion initial investment to construct 4000 homes. Whilst there may be others down the line and there should be he is initiating another bottomless undertaking. Sure they are talking of homeless shelters and all the other needed social necessities but they don't belong in a housing budget. The question for me is what are these 4000 homes going to cost and what are the plans for the balance of the fund. Without that it is just another Trudeauism.

I hope you aren't just dividing 13B by 4000, because this is also the associated costs. Six cities from across the country have been identified from the first batch. The CEO for the new organization is the former head of Toronto housing who was very successful in that role. Given we already have sites identified this is likely already full steam ahead.

 

[Furniture]

Timeline for the federal government to address things is years, as most of the problems are things that have been building for decades, impacted by things outside of the country (and their control). Similarly, their fixes are top down and can have massive impacts, usually unforeseen because it's complicated issues.

On day 1 he 'axed the tax', is now talking about a full on pause of the EV mandate, and renewed development of oil and natural gas, while also pumping massive funds into the CAF, planning to trim the PS overall, and a host of other things that are normally on the blue side of the line. If he was doing the same thing in a different party there would be all kinds of 'We're back!!!' type things from the CPC.

Even Danielle Smith is optimistic.

If it was the other way around, and Carney was leader of the Opposition, he'd be doing the same thing. It's what the leader of the opposition always does... The real test is whether or not the CPC under PP's leadership work with the LPC to get things done. So far, the PM has said the CPC is working with them, so it's mission accomplished CPC and LPC.

It's minority government, that can fall at any time if the political tides change. PP's job as leader of the CPC and the Official Opposition is to play politics with statements, in order to make the government look bad, while making him look like the PM in waiting. You're smart enough to know this, so I'm guessing you're pointing out his behaviour to let all of us know how much you still don't like him...

 

[Jarnhamar]

I couldn't find how many of the 1.4 million homes the LPC promised to build in 2021 actually got built.

CMHC said housing starts in Ontario are on their way to reach a 30-year low.

 

[dapaterson]

I couldn't find how many of the 1.4 million homes the LPC promised to build in 2021 actually got built.

CMHC said housing starts in Ontario are on their way to reach a 30-year low.

City of Ottawa has further slowed development, with delays doubling since 2022 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-development-process-audit-1.7632804)

The Federal Gov't has limited levers to unstick lower levels of government.

 

[Navy_Pete]

City of Ottawa has further slowed development, with delays doubling since 2022 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-development-process-audit-1.7632804)

The Federal Gov't has limited levers to unstick lower levels of government.

Material prices and labour availability have been through the roof as well, with a 10-15% annual inflation rate, so lot of things impacting build rates, as well as contracts, where the builder can no longer afford to make it at a price from years ago when the project was delayed.

 

[YZT580]

I hope you aren't just dividing 13B by 4000, because this is also the associated costs. Six cities from across the country have been identified from the first batch. The CEO for the new organization is the former head of Toronto housing who was very successful in that role. Given we already have sites identified this is likely already full steam ahead.

The devil is in the details. By any one's math the 4000 homes are, at a guess, 25% of the 13B, indicating that there are one hell of a lot of associated costs. we have 8 billion that isn't accounted for except through implication. Since every penny has to be borrowed, I for one would like to see the breakdown before I start heaping accolades on the government for a job well done.

 

[MilEME09]

The devil is in the details. By any one's math the 4000 homes are, at a guess, 25% of the 13B, indicating that there are one hell of a lot of associated costs. we have 8 billion that isn't accounted for except through implication. Since every penny has to be borrowed, I for one would like to see the breakdown before I start heaping accolades on the government for a job well done.

Most modular homes are $150k to $460k, that would be straight up $1,840,000,000 for 4,000 homes in just straight build cost. Plus an estimated $1,280,000,000 in installation costs. So let's say $3 billion just for the actual homes. Thats not including any of the additional infrastructure, contracting, design work, administration, permits, taxes etc

 

[HavokFour]

Do we know the size of said modular homes? Because that's going to play a part in the cost per unit. If they're anything like the ones built for all the soldiers coming back from the war, that would be a decent size for a starter.

 

[brihard]

Do we know the size of said modular homes? Because that's going to play a part in the cost per unit. If they're anything like the ones built for all the soldiers coming back from the war, that would be a decent size for a starter.

No idea. Preusmably they’ll be a combination of house types. Probably some detached, some semis, some towns, maybe some apartments/condos.

 

[dapaterson]

No idea. Preusmably they’ll be a combination of house types. Probably some detached, some semis, some towns, maybe some apartments/condos.

We always overlook the easy options.

 

[MilEME09]

No idea. Preusmably they’ll be a combination of house types. Probably some detached, some semis, some towns, maybe some apartments/condos.

Here's an example from a Nova Scotia builder

Citadel Homes

www.citadelhomesns.ca

Some of these are 1800+ sq feet, average around 1300, no idea what design work will be done but a lot of families would be happy with these as starter homes.

 

[mariomike]

Former councilor Bailao to lead new federal affordable housing agency.

 

[ArmyRick]

so I'm guessing you're pointing out his behaviour to let all of us know how much you still don't like him...

Keen observation. Pierre could come up with proposals to cure cancer, make everyone wealthy and find a way to bring world peace, it still wouldn't be enough for some people who have already decided that Pierre (and by default) that the Conservatives are "the enemy", this same crowd will excuse and justify every Liberal failure. Its called double standards.

The real test is whether or not the CPC under PP's leadership work with the LPC to get things done. So far, the PM has said the CPC is working with them, so it's mission accomplished CPC and LPC.

Pierre has put forward many, many great ideas and even invited Carney to steal them (said this several times), and to put a cherry on top, he has said Carney can take the credit for his ideas.

CMHC said housing starts in Ontario are on their way to reach a 30-year low.

At the end of the day, things like this are the results, or lack there of, that matter. My view? Liberals get warned over and over that something is a serious problem, dismiss it and blow it off and then when its a very serious crisis, then do a half ass measure to address it or appear to be addressing the problem.

This will sink the Liberals sooner rather than later.

Since every penny has to be borrowed, I for one would like to see the breakdown before I start heaping accolades on the government for a job well done.

Valid point, every dollar now is borrowed from cash that doesn't exist, forcing BoC to print more money and thus driving inflation even higher. And add to that, the government tends to boondoggle everything, not a good outcome expected.

 

[Altair]

Keen observation. Pierre could come up with proposals to cure cancer, make everyone wealthy and find a way to bring world peace, it still wouldn't be enough for some people who have already decided that Pierre (and by default) that the Conservatives are "the enemy", this same crowd will excuse and justify every Liberal failure. Its called double standards.

Valid point, every dollar now is borrowed from cash that doesn't exist, forcing BoC to print more money and thus driving inflation even higher. And add to that, the government tends to boondoggle everything, not a good outcome expected.

Inflation is right at the BOC target at the moment. Driving inflation even higher is a....interesting turn of phrase.

 

[Remius]

Keen observation. Pierre could come up with proposals to cure cancer, make everyone wealthy and find a way to bring world peace, it still wouldn't be enough for some people who have already decided that Pierre (and by default) that the Conservatives are "the enemy", this same crowd will excuse and justify every Liberal failure. Its called double standards.

Stop with that enemy BS.

No one here has done that.

 

[Lumber]

PP's job as leader of the CPC and the Official Opposition is to play politics with statements, in order to make the government look bad, while making him look like the PM in waiting.

I really hope you're saying this in the context of "this is just what PP is like" or "this is what politics has devolved into", and not "this is actually the purpose of the opposition". Because, that is not the purpose of the His Majesty's loyal opposition.

 

[ArmyRick]

Stop with that enemy BS.

No one here has done that.

I am calling like I see it. The last election and just before, how many liberals said that Pierre Poilievre was an "existential threat"?

Maybe some here don't say it, but there sure as hell have acted like it.

 

[ArmyRick]

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Inflation is right at the BOC target at the moment. Driving inflation even higher is a....interesting turn of phrase.

After your comments last week post Charlie Kirk murder, there isn't much you have to say I care to hear or read anymore.

 

[ArmyRick]

Because, that is not the purpose of the His Majesty's loyal opposition.

"Typically, it is the second-largest party in the House of Commons. The Official Opposition is viewed as the caucus tasked with keeping the government in check. It is also generally viewed as the alternative government or "government in waiting".

Official Opposition (Canada) - Wikipedia

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