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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

All true & good points. Still, provinces asking is a non-zero factor (although admittedly far from the only one).

So, depending on the political glasses someone's wearing, Ottawa is either 1) being the adult and telling provinces, "no, we can't bring THAT many more people in," or 2) ignoring the will of a level of government closer to most people than the feds are.
Or both at the same time.
 
Where did most of those come from? SPs - so education and PNPs which is the provincial nominee program. The provinces asked for this on both counts.
When your kid asks for ice cream for supper you shouldn't give it to them.

Of course provinces will ask for both. It amounts to cheap, practically slave labour.

The feds arent without blame and they need to scrap the broken TFW system yesterday
True and true.

but the provinces wanting these people and then doing nothing about the housing stock under their jurisdiction created a firestorm.
Letting them in the door in the first place created the firestorm. Provincial failures added fuel.

The Liberals brought in 2 million souls last year knowing there wasn't enough places to live and not enough social services like doctors.
 
Gord Johns and his petition to repurpose our 'left over' C-130s ;)



Madam Speaker, it is an honour to table this petition on behalf of petitioners from my riding of Courtenay—Alberni, who are on the front line of wildfires this season. They highlight that the increase in intensity and cost of wildfires in Canada, not just in British Columbia but across the country, requires bold and timely action.

Without a national air tanker fleet, each province must weigh the cost of purchasing or contracting aviation resources, with no guarantee that resources will be available when and where they are needed most. Fighting wildfires and addressing the climate crisis demands a wartime level of effort and commitment. Other countries retrofit retired military aircraft for aerial firefighting and providing rapid response capability and national resilience.

The conversion of Canada's retired CC-130 Hercules fleet into state-of-the-art air tankers would protect communities and critical infrastructure, and it would help meet climate commitments by reducing catastrophic carbon releases from wildfires.

The petitioners cite that they are calling on the government to work in partnership with the private sector, in collaboration with potential first nations partners, to retrofit a portion of Canada's retired CC-130H Hercules fleet into large air tankers for wildfire suppression; deploy these aircraft as part of a strengthened national wildfire response capacity, to be shared with provinces and territories and, where appropriate, to be available for international humanitarian and emergency response missions; and, finally, prioritize this made-in-Canada solution, which leverages Canadian engineering and global expertise and delivers clear benefits in protecting lives, communities and the environment.

 
Gord Johns and his petition to repurpose our 'left over' C-130s ;)



Madam Speaker, it is an honour to table this petition on behalf of petitioners from my riding of Courtenay—Alberni, who are on the front line of wildfires this season. They highlight that the increase in intensity and cost of wildfires in Canada, not just in British Columbia but across the country, requires bold and timely action.

Without a national air tanker fleet, each province must weigh the cost of purchasing or contracting aviation resources, with no guarantee that resources will be available when and where they are needed most. Fighting wildfires and addressing the climate crisis demands a wartime level of effort and commitment. Other countries retrofit retired military aircraft for aerial firefighting and providing rapid response capability and national resilience.

The conversion of Canada's retired CC-130 Hercules fleet into state-of-the-art air tankers would protect communities and critical infrastructure, and it would help meet climate commitments by reducing catastrophic carbon releases from wildfires.

The petitioners cite that they are calling on the government to work in partnership with the private sector, in collaboration with potential first nations partners, to retrofit a portion of Canada's retired CC-130H Hercules fleet into large air tankers for wildfire suppression; deploy these aircraft as part of a strengthened national wildfire response capacity, to be shared with provinces and territories and, where appropriate, to be available for international humanitarian and emergency response missions; and, finally, prioritize this made-in-Canada solution, which leverages Canadian engineering and global expertise and delivers clear benefits in protecting lives, communities and the environment.

Sigh….

Where to even begin on this one…
 
Made in Canada solution is code for "shovel buckets of unaccountable money to IMP while retaining all cost and schedule risk to the Crown".
You forgot the part about “clapped out airframes with dodgy wingboxes” and “Transport Canada has a stated policy of never again allowing civil registry of an ex-military airframe” and then, my favourite- “if the feds wade into this, they will own the air tanker problem for Canada as each Province will (cleverly) decide they can avoid spending money on tankers AND blame the Feds every summer when there aren’t enough to around”.

I should go into consulting….
 
You forgot the part about “clapped out airframes with dodgy wingboxes” and “Transport Canada has a stated policy of never again allowing civil registry of an ex-military airframe” and then, my favourite- “if the feds wade into this, they will own the air tanker problem for Canada as each Province will (cleverly) decide they can avoid spending money on tankers AND blame the Feds every summer when there aren’t enough to around”.

I should go into consulting….

Fun fact: Canada bought expired Herc Hs from the US to refurbish our Herc H fleet because theirs were less expired than our in-service aircraft.
 
Meh. If she only spoke English I’d see an issue, but she speaks Inuktitut as well. I’m good with that.
Who cares if she is multilingual. That is one of the worst things we forced on Canada as it has resulted in a much smaller group of people forming government who generally don’t effectively represent the whole country.

It is a self inflicted limitation which disqualifies many competent people (potentially more capable than many of the bilingual people who do end up higher) from advancing into the higher levels of government.

Why should 18% of the population (1/5) have a monopoly? Excluding 82% from higher government because of ‘reasons’ isn’t a good thing.

As long as you speak one of the official languages that should be enough.
 
Who cares if she is multilingual.
It probably matters to quite a few. Now, whether it is an actual requirement for the job is another argument but speaking more than one language should always be viewed as an asset.
That is one of the worst things we forced on Canada as it has resulted in a much smaller group of people forming government who generally don’t effectively represent the whole country.
None has to be bilingual to form government.
It is a self inflicted limitation which disqualifies many competent people (potentially more capable than many of the bilingual people who do end up higher) from advancing into the higher levels of government.
The current GG does not speak French and she was chosen.
Why should 18% of the population (1/5) have a monopoly? Excluding 82% from higher government because of ‘reasons’ isn’t a good thing.
Is it really a monopoly though? And it isn’t just “reasons” now is it. We are talking about fairly high appointments. That already excludes a vast majority of the population to begin with. Don’t think that GG choices are coming from 100% of the population. It’s a short list to begin with.
As long as you speak one of the official languages that should be enough.
I generally agree but it depends on the position we are talking about. The current GG only speaks one official language, which kind of disproves what you are arguing.
 
It probably matters to quite a few. Now, whether it is an actual requirement for the job is another argument but speaking more than one language should always be viewed as an asset.

None has to be bilingual to form government.

The current GG does not speak French and she was chosen.

Is it really a monopoly though? And it isn’t just “reasons” now is it. We are talking about fairly high appointments. That already excludes a vast majority of the population to begin with. Don’t think that GG choices are coming from 100% of the population. It’s a short list to begin with.

I generally agree but it depends on the position we are talking about. The current GG only speaks one official language, which kind of disproves what you are arguing.
They argue she was allowed to be chosen because she could speak two languages.

Are you going to argue that you can get to senior government positions (not just elected, government at large which includes the military and civil service) without speaking both English and French? There is a hard cap in there.
 
They argue she was allowed to be chosen because she could speak two languages.
Who is they? You are under the assumption that language was a deciding factor in her being chosen. It wasn’t. Her ability to speak an indigenous language was probably seen as a bonus.
Are you going to argue that you can get to senior government positions (not just elected, government at large which includes the military and civil service) without speaking both English and French? There is a hard cap in there.
I wasn’t because your argument was about the GG and other people “forming” government.

You are arguing a different thing if that is what you want to discuss.
 
Gord Johns and his petition to repurpose our 'left over' C-130s ;)



Madam Speaker, it is an honour to table this petition on behalf of petitioners from my riding of Courtenay—Alberni, who are on the front line of wildfires this season. They highlight that the increase in intensity and cost of wildfires in Canada, not just in British Columbia but across the country, requires bold and timely action.

Without a national air tanker fleet, each province must weigh the cost of purchasing or contracting aviation resources, with no guarantee that resources will be available when and where they are needed most. Fighting wildfires and addressing the climate crisis demands a wartime level of effort and commitment. Other countries retrofit retired military aircraft for aerial firefighting and providing rapid response capability and national resilience.

The conversion of Canada's retired CC-130 Hercules fleet into state-of-the-art air tankers would protect communities and critical infrastructure, and it would help meet climate commitments by reducing catastrophic carbon releases from wildfires.

The petitioners cite that they are calling on the government to work in partnership with the private sector, in collaboration with potential first nations partners, to retrofit a portion of Canada's retired CC-130H Hercules fleet into large air tankers for wildfire suppression; deploy these aircraft as part of a strengthened national wildfire response capacity, to be shared with provinces and territories and, where appropriate, to be available for international humanitarian and emergency response missions; and, finally, prioritize this made-in-Canada solution, which leverages Canadian engineering and global expertise and delivers clear benefits in protecting lives, communities and the environment.

While I'm a huge proponent of C-130's outfitted with MAFF's units to allow for easy conversion to water bomber or transport airframe...

Using ex-military aircraft is a huge issue not just within Canada but around the world especially if under the control of civilian companies due to parts tracking and maintenance records. It's a huge issue why the USFS did not convert some of their ex-US Coast Guard airframes and instead pawned them off to CALFIRE.

If you're going to do this then order new machines - not high hour airframes that need major work before re-certification - and maybe look broader than the RCAF airframes.

If you're worried about C-130 purchase optics there is also the Bombardier Dash 8 Q-400 MR (Saskatchewan just bought 2 of this model) or you can look at the new CL-515 if you're willing to accept less cargo/passenger capacity.
 
While I'm a huge proponent of C-130's outfitted with MAFF's units to allow for easy conversion to water bomber or transport airframe...

Using ex-military aircraft is a huge issue not just within Canada but around the world especially if under the control of civilian companies due to parts tracking and maintenance records. It's a huge issue why the USFS did not convert some of their ex-US Coast Guard airframes and instead pawned them off to CALFIRE.

If you're going to do this then order new machines - not high hour airframes that need major work before re-certification - and maybe look broader than the RCAF airframes.

If you're worried about C-130 purchase optics there is also the Bombardier Dash 8 Q-400 MR (Saskatchewan just bought 2 of this model) or you can look at the new CL-515 if you're willing to accept less cargo/passenger capacity.

I think this is more about Gord Johns trying to pump up his NDP public image on the Coast, taking advantage of the emotions stirred by a local fire at Wesley Ridge, since he jumped ship from the Liberals ....

 
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