Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[lenaitch]

Yes. PMMC has proposed amendments to th PSSA that would give BSOs and other front line emergency services personnel a 25 and out pension similar to what the RCMP currently enjoy.

Is that the best three or five earning years at 2% per year?

Or, stay in for the whole ride. After 35 years of service: maximum pension

That's an OMERS rule but it's not universal. The Ontario Public Service Pension Plan has no maximum; 2% of the average of the best three years earnings x years of service. I know at least one OPP member who went 50 years so retired at 100% (less all the employment deductions). I know several members who have served 40+ years.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Wonder how much this will cost us.

Canada cancels plan to donate refurbished armour to Ukraine: defence minister​

Demise of Armatec contract still shrouded in secrecy; David McGuinty refuses to explain​

I guess last week's CBC's guess was correct

Canada's plan to donate refurbished armour to Ukraine appears to be on the scrap heap

Ukraine was supposed to receive more than two dozen rebuilt light armoured vehicles from Canada in a deal brokered through a federal agency. However, the plan has been dropped from the Canadian Commercial Corporation listing and the agency, along with the Defence Department, refuse to say why.

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

I guess last week's CBC's guess was correct

Canada's plan to donate refurbished armour to Ukraine appears to be on the scrap heap

Ukraine was supposed to receive more than two dozen rebuilt light armoured vehicles from Canada in a deal brokered through a federal agency. However, the plan has been dropped from the Canadian Commercial Corporation listing and the agency, along with the Defence Department, refuse to say why.

ca.news.yahoo.com

At the 50,000 ft level it looks like the company in London/Dorchester might be unable to deliver the goods.

 

[Haggis]

Is that the best three or five earning years at 2% per year?

We're assuming so, but haven't seen any details yet.

 

[mariomike]

Which is an increasingly rare choice these days....

Of course you are right.

Seemed so simple back then. Do your work, live your life....

That's an OMERS rule but it's not universal.

Right.

Effective January 1, 2021, OMERS eliminated the 35-year cap on credited service for members who had less than 35 years of service before that date. This means that if you were in this group, you can now continue to accumulate credited service and contribute to the plan beyond 35 years. For members who had already met the 35-year limit before January 1, 2021, the cap still applies.

I've been an OMERS member since 1972. So, when I maxed out, I GTFO.

Would have stayed on had it not been for the 35-year cap.

Saw this RCMP pension formula:

2% × Years of pensionable service (maximum 35 years) × Your highest average salary for your best 5 consecutive years of service

https://rcmp-grc.pension.gc.ca/rtr/rnsrgm/apr-pe-eng.html#a3

 

[brihard]

Saw this RCMP pension formula:

2% × Years of pensionable service (maximum 35 years) × Your highest average salary for your best 5 consecutive years of service

https://rcmp-grc.pension.gc.ca/rtr/rnsrgm/apr-pe-eng.html#a3

Looks like they have the same basic formula as CAF and the Public Service, which makes sense. My understanding that there are some variances in the formula used to trigger eligibility for immediate annuity (is pension now without penalty). There can also be some variances around when indexing kicks in.

 

[mariomike]

Looks like they have the same basic formula as CAF and the Public Service, which makes sense. My understanding that there are some variances in the formula used to trigger eligibility for immediate annuity (is pension now without penalty). There can also be some variances around when indexing kicks in.

Saw this on AI,

Yes, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) member can receive an unreduced pension after 25 years of service, regardless of age, under the current pension plan for regular members. This is sometimes referred to as "25 and out" for public safety workers.

Eligibility for an unreduced pension
For regular members: You become entitled to an unreduced pension at age 60 with at least two years of service, or at any age with 25 years of service.

 

[MilEME09]

Where did you get this figure?

Manually did the math, right now 18.7% of the population if over 65. This is estimated to grow to 25% by the end of the decade. 17% of the population is under 16, couple with according to statscan, 40% of the adult population cant work. Roughly speaking that means about 15 million people are supporting 40+ million. This means 38.58% of our population of 40 million is supporting the entire country.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Manually did the math, right now 18.7% of the population if over 65. This is estimated to grow to 25% by the end of the decade. 17% of the population is under 16, couple with according to statscan, 40% of the adult population cant work. Roughly speaking that means about 15 million people are supporting 40+ million. This means 38.58% of our population of 40 million is supporting the entire country.

What do you mean ‘40% of the adult population can’t work’?
Can’t work, won’t work, in school, in jail, raising a family ?

 

[Remius]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-budget-support-vote-9.6947268

Election before Christmas?

I’m sure everyone will be thrilled lol.

 

[daftandbarmy]

At the 50,000 ft level it looks like the company in London/Dorchester might be unable to deliver the goods.

Or the red tape killed it....

One of the military's simplest procurement projects is being tied down by red tape​

The light utility vehicle program, first pitched in 2017, could end up taking 13 years to complete​

The program remains mired in what DND calls the "options analysis" phase — a step the department, in a media statement, defended as necessary to ensure "that these new vehicles will meet the needs of the CAF, while providing the best value to Canadians and maximizing industry competition."

DND said that in the first phase of the program, it intends to buy 424 off-the-shelf trucks through what's known as individual standing offers, at a total cost of roughly $45 million. But it will be next year before the the department goes truck shopping.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/light-utility-vehicle-dnd-procurement-1.7315675

 

[CBH99]

Or the red tape killed it....

One of the military's simplest procurement projects is being tied down by red tape​

The light utility vehicle program, first pitched in 2017, could end up taking 13 years to complete​

The program remains mired in what DND calls the "options analysis" phase — a step the department, in a media statement, defended as necessary to ensure "that these new vehicles will meet the needs of the CAF, while providing the best value to Canadians and maximizing industry competition."

DND said that in the first phase of the program, it intends to buy 424 off-the-shelf trucks through what's known as individual standing offers, at a total cost of roughly $45 million. But it will be next year before the the department goes truck shopping.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/light-utility-vehicle-dnd-procurement-1.7315675

Sigh...are we making this more complicated than it needs to be??

13 years...to replace trucks with, well, trucks...

 

[CBH99]

I guess last week's CBC's guess was correct

Canada's plan to donate refurbished armour to Ukraine appears to be on the scrap heap

Ukraine was supposed to receive more than two dozen rebuilt light armoured vehicles from Canada in a deal brokered through a federal agency. However, the plan has been dropped from the Canadian Commercial Corporation listing and the agency, along with the Defence Department, refuse to say why.

ca.news.yahoo.com

Oh my flippin' goodness...are we STILL delivering those 50 ACSV's we promised when things first kicked off?

Someone please tell me no...

 

[Halifax Tar]

squandered

Lots of people through no fault of their own are either unable to work for much of their adult life (disability, caregivers to children, caregivers to other infirm family members), or do work but never make it past low wage jobs- the ‘working poor’ that our economy quite frankly puts a lot of reliance on to keep consumer costs down. It’s possible to work hard through your whole adult life and still be scraping by paycheck to paycheck quite poor in your elder years.

You will notice, I used the word squandered. Which is the past tense of squander.

Defined: Definition of SQUANDER

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-budget-support-vote-9.6947268

Election before Christmas?

I’m sure everyone will be thrilled lol.

The budget will pass. Its all huffing and puffing at this point.

Sigh...are we making this more complicated than it needs to be??

Always.

 

[brihard]

You will notice, I used the word squandered. Which is the past tense of squander.

Defined: Definition of SQUANDER



The budget will pass. Its all huffing and puffing at this point.



Always.

Sure, but in practice how do you determine this for benefit eligibility unless, for the 45 or so years ahead of OAS eligibility, you have the government able to determine if someone is living a non-squandering life, or has some ‘good enough’ excuse for why they weren’t working.

And from a practical standpoint, let’s say government decides some portion of elderly ‘squandered’ their working years and cuts them off from OAS. Ok. So now what? Out of desperation you’ll see some pretty awful stuff that will likely end up with higher downstream costs in healthcare, law enforcement, corrections etc. The rational and defensible policy objectives of OAS is basically a guaranteed minimum income for seniors to try to ease the worst poverty. Maximum OAS and GIS is $1,845.52 a month. $22,146.22 a year. Not exactly lavish. There are lots of places where there’s no way that covers rent, groceries, and bare necessary expenses.

IMO we’re paying far too much OAS at the wealthier end, and could stand to bump GIS somewhat at the dirt poor end.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Sure, but in practice how do you determine this for benefit eligibility unless, for the 45 or so years ahead of OAS eligibility, you have the government able to determine if someone is living a non-squandering life, or has some ‘good enough’ excuse for why they weren’t working.

And from a practical standpoint, let’s say government decides some portion of elderly ‘squandered’ their working years and cuts them off from OAS. Ok. So now what? Out of desperation you’ll see some pretty awful stuff that will likely end up with higher downstream costs in healthcare, law enforcement, corrections etc. The rational and defensible policy objectives of OAS is basically a guaranteed minimum income for seniors to try to ease the worst poverty. Maximum OAS and GIS is $1,845.52 a month. $22,146.22 a year. Not exactly lavish. There are lots of places where there’s no way that covers rent, groceries, and bare necessary expenses.

IMO we’re paying far too much OAS at the wealthier end, and could stand to bump GIS somewhat at the dirt poor end.

We all make choices. Make good ones. And remember not everyone makes it.

If you don't plan for your future it shouldn't fall to me to support that failing.

The obvious exception being those with true and diagnosed disabilities that require life long assistance. That should be a community task. I have said ad nauseum on these means.

IMHO what we are seeing is the conclusion of the break down of the greater family unit. Families used to look after each other, these folks are family problems not the problem of greater society. Ands kids need to be taught and comprehend that choices they make in their teens to twenty's can/will haunt them for their lifetime. Then, let them go make choices.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The budget will pass. Its all huffing and puffing at this point.

Yeah for sure. NDP are desperate and will support the LPC for a few pens at this point.

You gotta love the Liberal elitist attitude though. They trashed out economy for 10 years yet act all huffy puffy anyone would dare push back at their money trough.

Liberal party has zero respect for Canadians, but obviously some people enjoy the disrespect.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I guess last week's CBC's guess was correct

Canada's plan to donate refurbished armour to Ukraine appears to be on the scrap heap

Ukraine was supposed to receive more than two dozen rebuilt light armoured vehicles from Canada in a deal brokered through a federal agency. However, the plan has been dropped from the Canadian Commercial Corporation listing and the agency, along with the Defence Department, refuse to say why.

ca.news.yahoo.com

Yep. I'm just curious how much this cost taxpayers payers.

Also curious if the company will be hitting DND with storage fees for 25x LAVs for 2 years. I know I would.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yeah for sure. NDP are desperate and will support the LPC for a few pens at this point.

You gotta love the Liberal elitist attitude though. They trashed out economy for 10 years yet act all huffy puffy anyone would dare push back at their money trough.

Liberal party has zero respect for Canadians, but obviously some people enjoy the disrespect.

They are still trashing the economy, they have just changed the words. Now they are making investments.

What I want to see is what cuts will be made. I would like massive hits to social spending, foreign aide and the civilian public service.

 

[brihard]

We all make choices. Make good ones. And remember not everyone makes it.

If you don't plan for your future it shouldn't fall to me to support that failing.

The obvious exception being those with true and diagnosed disabilities that require life long assistance. That should be a community task. I have said ad nauseum on these means.

IMHO what we are seeing is the conclusion of the break down of the greater family unit. Families used to look after each other, these folks are family problems not the problem of greater society. Ands kids need to be taught and comprehend that choices they make in their teens to twenty's can/will haunt them for their lifetime. Then, let them go make choices.

You didn’t actually ask my policy question or address any of my concerns though. How does government determine who’s ‘worthy’ of OAS/GIS if it goes to something more complex than what it currently is? How does government determine you differentiate the person who simply effed about in their prime earning years versus those who stayed home to raise kids? Or looked after a disabled family member? Or tried hard and simply struggled through minimum or low wage jobs? What determines who deserves it? Please give some practical ideas here.

I assure you, you’ll be paying for it one way or another, through other government provided services. Not that all (or even most) of them end up in the chronic hospital/shelter/police cycle - but those that do will cost vastly more per capita than simply paying OAS/GIS to help keep them off the streets.