Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[MilEME09]

If an election would occur, it would fall when? Just before Christmas or between Christmas and New Years

37-51 days after the writ drops would be likely be dec 15th at the earliest, 51 days would be exactly Christmas from budget day.

 

[Haggis]

If an election would occur, it would fall when? Just before Christmas or between Christmas and New Years

If it comes to that and I were Carney, I'd call the election for December 29th. "We didn't want an election, we tabled a reasonable budget that the opposition wouldn't support so it's their fault we're having this holiday election, not ours". Then watch the CPC votes tank!

 

[Halifax Tar]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-budget-opposition-canada-election-9.6963055

Looks like a game of chicken is happening.

If the CPC is responsible for triggering a Christmas election they deserve a shit kicking in the ballots.

As distasteful as it is they need to support this budget.

Let's also not forget its the sitting Govs job to table a budget that works in a minority setting, not use it as a tool to play their own partisan games.

 

[Brad Sallows]

On the flip side of that coin, can canadians afford massive cuts to programs and services? Where do you strike the balance given the state of the economy

The greater the borrowing, the greater the cost of servicing the borrowing. How does that end?

 

[MilEME09]

The greater the borrowing, the greater the cost of servicing the borrowing. How does that end?

Well we gotta reverse the trends that started because of ww2.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Assuming a minimum length 37 days period, probably about a week before Christmas.

Ain’t happening

 

[Czech_pivo]

If it comes to that and I were Carney, I'd call the election for December 29th. "We didn't want an election, we tabled a reasonable budget that the opposition wouldn't support so it's their fault we're having this holiday election, not ours". Then watch the CPC votes tank!

If the CPC is responsible for triggering a Christmas election they deserve a shit kicking in the ballots.

As distasteful as it is they need to support this budget.

Let's also not forget it’s the sitting Govs job to table a budget that works in a minority setting, not use it as a tool to play their own partisan games.

I think that budget cuts are happening across the board.
Renewed my passport on Friday (expires first week of February) because I’m of the belief that the price of them will be goi g up.
The fellow doing the paperwork work was saying that their Rumint was bracing for large scale cuts to headcount.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Well we gotta reverse the trends that started because of ww2.

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Over lay that CPP/Healthcare/OAS/Childcare payments/HST rebates, etc

 

[Czech_pivo]

The greater the borrowing, the greater the cost of servicing the borrowing. How does that end?

Depends on the interest rates, unemployment rates and GDP growth numbers.
Have a look at the US vs Canada 30yr bonds and see who’s in worst shape.

 

[Lumber]

Agreed but also, its almost double jeopardy for Pierre Poilievre. Force a another election, and if he loses it, I dont see any way he could stay on as leader in January. Thats gotta be something playing out in his mind.

I think the budget is a bit of a risk for him too.

If he doesn't support the budget, there's a chance he loses the election (or even gives the LPC a majority). Plus, he must know how much chaos it would cause, by delaying/confusing the implementation of a lot of MC "big projects".

But, if he does support it, his more hardcore party base may see it as weakness and lead to his losing the leadership review.

 

[MilEME09]

I think the budget is a bit of a risk for him too.

If he doesn't support the budget, there's a chance he loses the election (or even gives the LPC a majority). Plus, he must know how much chaos it would cause, by delaying/confusing the implementation of a lot of MC "big projects".

But, if he does support it, his more hardcore party base may see it as weakness and lead to his losing the leadership review.

No one wants a Christmas election, and I think the liberals might offer just enough to let him save face.

 

[MilEME09]

Over lay that CPP/Healthcare/OAS/Childcare payments/HST rebates, etc

Dont forget a lot of that spike was also looking after 1.1 million ww2 vets

 

[brihard]

I think the budget is a bit of a risk for him too.

If he doesn't support the budget, there's a chance he loses the election (or even gives the LPC a majority). Plus, he must know how much chaos it would cause, by delaying/confusing the implementation of a lot of MC "big projects".

But, if he does support it, his more hardcore party base may see it as weakness and lead to his losing the leadership review.

He won’t support it, but he just needs to make sure six MPs don’t show up to vote against it.

Ain’t happening

I don’t think so either. Cynically I wonder if this was a factor in the timing of the budget.

 

[Jarnhamar]

If an election would occur, it would fall when? Just before Christmas or between Christmas and New Years

Carney really planned the timing of the budget well eh? It's brilliant.

 

[Remius]

Carney really planned the timing of the budget well eh? It's brilliant.

That didn’t actually occur to me but yeah…

 

[Jarnhamar]

On the flip side of that coin, can canadians afford massive cuts to programs and services? Where do you strike the balance given the state of the economy

I don't know. What kind of programs and services are we talking about? Sort of seems like Canadians want to have their cake and eat it. Money for programs and services come from somewhere.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Carney really planned the timing of the budget well eh? It's brilliant.

I would hope that the CPC would have been just as competent

 

[Czech_pivo]

Dont forget a lot of that spike was also looking after 1.1 million ww2 vets

Money well very spent.

 

[brihard]

I don't know. What kind of programs and services are we talking about? Sort of seems like Canadians want to have their cake and eat it. Money for programs and services come from somewhere.

Yeah, I’ll be very curious to see come Tuesday what’s on the chopping block.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Yeah, I’ll be very curious to see come Tuesday what’s on the chopping block.

Probably the biggest proportion of the overhead: variable costs like 'people' ...

PSAC warns federal budget could lead to 70,000 job cuts in the public service​

The Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) is warning of the possibility of deep job cuts in the federal public service ahead of Liberals’ first budget under Prime Minister Mark Carney.

Earlier this week, Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne suggested the size of the public service has grown too large and that it should be trimmed back to pre-pandemic levels.

“We need to bring back the civil service to a sustainable level,” Champagne said Wednesday.

“And I think people have seen, and they will see in the budget, if you look at how many people we have today and what we had before COVID-19, we need to get back to something more sustainable.”

In a post on social media, PSAC called the upcoming federal budget “a recipe for disaster.”

The post includes a quote from PSAC National President Sharon DeSousa, who says, “Champagne’s comments on returning to pre-COVID staff numbers mean that 70,000 public service workers could lose their jobs, leaving a hollowed-out public service to run vital services that keep our country safe.”

PSAC warns federal budget could lead to 70,000 job cuts in the public service

The Public Service Alliance of Canada is warning of the possibility of deep job cuts in the federal public service ahead of Liberals’ first budget under Prime Minister Mark Carney.

www.ctvnews.ca