Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Remius]

I checked and you’re right. Jeneroux not voting is a bit of a middle finger to his party. I’ve seen a mention on Twitter that Stubbs was medical. Two NDP abstained as well.

Interestingly both the CPC and NDP each had enough abstentions/didn’t vote that either would separately have made sure the budget passed and we wouldn’t go to an election. Not sure if there’s anything to be read into that.

What was abundantly clear was that no one was going to let the gvt fall. 2 CPC members including Scheer voted remotely despite being in their seats. That was tactical on their part just in case. Both stood up to say they had glitches and wanted to have their vote recorded as against. That was after it was clear the NDP provided the necessary abstentions. That was completely engineered as a fail safe in case the NDP all voted against.

What is clear is all parties are keeping their intentions close hold.

In any case, clearly the opposition lacks the desire for an election currently, and PMMC’s government will continue for some time yet.

Exactly.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Budget passed 170-168

 

[suffolkowner]

Listen...Norway has a sales tax.

Alberta>Norway.

Pretty sure Norway charges a lot for royalties

 

[PrairieFella]

Pretty sure Norway charges a lot for royalties

Which we should too.

 

[Jarnhamar]

What was abundantly clear was that no one was going to let the gvt fall. 2 CPC members including Scheer voted remotely despite being in their seats. That was tactical on their part just in case. Both stood up to say they had glitches and wanted to have their vote recorded as against. That was after it was clear the NDP provided the necessary abstentions. That was completely engineered as a fail safe in case the NDP all voted against.

That's a great summary!


The only response to CPC or NDP MP's complaining about the budget should be a solid STFU.

 

[Maxman1]

Unless I'm mistaken, aren't we only running 2 our of 4 submarines currently?

Also they're saying the submarine shop, I think Korean, could pump one out by 2035. Why would it take 10 years to make 1 sub? Does that mean we we would get the 12th sub by year 2145?

It's Germany that will have one ready by 2035. Korea will have two by 2030.

 

[Jarnhamar]

It's Germany that will have one ready by 2035. Korea will have two by 2030.

Thanks.

 

[CBH99]

That's a great summary!


The only response to CPC or NDP MP's complaining about the budget should be a solid STFU.

Sorry, not following here...why should the response be to STFU?

 

[MilEME09]

Sorry, not following here...why should the response be to STFU?

Because they didn't join forces to vote it down?

 

[YZT580]

Because they didn't join forces to vote it down?

and risk a liberal majority? not bloody likely. Save the no vote for an issue that will resonate with the people or when folks start looking closely at what is really happening (if there is anything to see). I would say that the opposition played it smart.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Sorry, not following here...why should the response be to STFU?

They could have caused the budget to fail but they didn't.

The budget passed so they don't deserve airtime to complain about it and act like they didn't want it to pass.

 

[CBH99]

She seems to agree; an explanation was offered. Given the dates - last two weeks of March, at end FY - it’s certainly plausible for mandatory payout of untaken accrued leave. If her account doesn’t add up I’m sure there will be several knowledgeable people who will waste no time saying so.

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If Liberal MP's, generally speaking, clarified their matters as directly as this lady here did, I wouldn't have such an issue with the LPC.

Props to her for clarifying things & putting things in context.

I'm with @brihard on this one - if her explanation doesn't add up, there are enough internal and external eyes on government finances these days that someone will say something.

(I don't trust the LPC either @ArmyRick, but in this case her explanation seems pretty reasonable)

and risk a liberal majority? not bloody likely. Save the no vote for an issue that will resonate with the people or when folks start looking closely at what is really happening (if there is anything to see). I would say that the opposition played it smart.

Totally agreed.

This budget was partially intended to trigger an election - and the strategy seems obvious...

On the one hand, present a budget that is impossible to truly support, re Almost $80B of new national debt in just this one budget alone - which is beyond crippling for future economic growth, and that Canadians will have absolutely nothing to show for it...

And on the other hand have all of the mainstream media outlets start hammering on the Leader of the Opposition for a few weeks prior to/during the budget release...


This distracts the population from the fact that PM Carney just put us $80B in more debt - which people should be asking questions about and be alarmed - but also helps to potentially turn voters away from PP if they did oppose the budget and trigger an election

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The Opposition played it smart here

 

[daftandbarmy]

They could have caused the budget to fail but they didn't.

The budget passed so they don't deserve airtime to complain about it and act like they didn't want it to pass.

Mr. Johns is attracting attention, which I guess is what he wanted

Rob Shaw on X: "The most consequential moment of @GordJohns career is sitting in his seat mute…

 

[Altair]

No, but you’re deflecting. Who on army.ca is “just losing it over Pierre Poilievre existence”?

Maybe he means women.

Federal Politics: Poilievre favourability hits lowest point of his leadership; Carney approval rises - Angus Reid Institute

Liberals hold two-point vote intention advantage, 40 per cent to 38 per cent over opposition CPC November 17, 2025 – Despite boos for the Prime Minister at the Grey Cup on Sunday, new data from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute finds Carney approved of by 52 per cent of Canadians. He’s...

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Poilievre’s challenge continues to be generating positive views among women. He’s always been viewed more favourably by men, especially those older than 34. Women of all ages are much more likely to have negative views:

I agree. 7 out of 10 women are losing it over PP existing.

Which I must say, it makes it really hard to win an election when 70 percent of half of all Canadians don't like you.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Maybe he means women.

Federal Politics: Poilievre favourability hits lowest point of his leadership; Carney approval rises - Angus Reid Institute

Liberals hold two-point vote intention advantage, 40 per cent to 38 per cent over opposition CPC November 17, 2025 – Despite boos for the Prime Minister at the Grey Cup on Sunday, new data from the non-profit Angus Reid Institute finds Carney approved of by 52 per cent of Canadians. He’s...

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I agree. 7 out of 10 women are losing it over PP existing.

Which I must say, it makes it really hard to win an election when 70 percent of half of all Canadians don't like you.

It is because of mainstream media disinformation and the CBC don't you know....

 

[IKnowNothing]

On the one hand, present a budget that is impossible to truly support, re Almost $80B of new national debt in just this one budget alone - which is beyond crippling for future economic growth, and that Canadians will have absolutely nothing to show for it...

This is regurgitation of hysterical propaganda, not a serious assessment of the budget.

Fun fact: Harper's 2009-10 budget deficit of 56.4 billion values at ~85 billion in todays dollars. It represented 3.5% of GDP, compared to the 2025 budget's 2.5.

 

[Brad Sallows]

This is regurgitation of hysterical propaganda, not a serious assessment of the budget.

Fun fact: Harper's 2009-10 budget deficit of 56.4 billion values at ~85 billion in todays dollars. It represented 3.5% of GDP, compared to the 2025 budget's 2.5.

Oh. Just a coincidence that happened right after a major economic meltdown, I suppose. And was that deficit spending meant to go on indefinitely?

[Add: deficits since the last surplus, from 2025 Fiscal Reference Tables, millions of dollars. Note what happened after 2015 election.

2007-08 9,597
2008-09 -9,116
2009-10 -56,368
2010-11 -34,953
2011-12 -28,033
2012-13 -21,293
2013-14 -8,050
2014-15 -550
2015-16 -2,861
2016-17 -18,957
2017-18 -18,961
2018-19 -13,964
2019-20 -39,392
2020-21 -327,729
2021-22 -90,315
2022-23 -35,322
2023-24 -61,876
2024-25 -36,348
]

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[IKnowNothing]

Oh. Just a coincidence that happened right after a major economic meltdown, I suppose.

Yup coincidence. And there's no major economic issues going on now. A good leader would wait until the pain has sunk in enough to have the technical/semantic shield of recession rather than being proactive.

And was that deficit spending meant to go on indefinitely?

No, but it did take several years to unwind, much of it sitting with the benefit of a majority enabling the necessary but unpopular cuts required to do so aggressively.
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As to your rest- Carney is inheriting Trudeau's mess, yes. But he is not Trudeau.

This deficit could and should be leaner, and could and should be wound down faster
- but going after transfers to provinces and persons is a complete non-starter with a minority without clear and strong bi-partisan support
- acting like it's something unprecedented and destructive is objectively incorrect partisan whining

 

[ArmyRick]

It is because of mainstream media disinformation and the CBC don't you know....

$1.4 Billion to CBC (There is a colossal waste of tax money)
$325 Million to CTV, Global, Toronto Star, Toronto Life, Cult MTL, etc.

I am sure there is no reason to believe that an anti-Poilievre bias exist.

They will launch more smear pieces against anyone else that succeeds Poilievre and starts to succeed (IF he doesn't survive the leadership review, big IF)

 

[Brad Sallows]

Yup coincidence.

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And there's no major economic issues going on now.

Agreed. No need for counter-cyclical deficit spending.

A good leader would wait until the pain has sunk in enough to have the technical/semantic shield of recession rather than being proactive.

A good leader wouldn't move at all until a real recession had been running long enough to matter.

No, but it did take several years to unwind, much of it sitting with the benefit of a majority enabling the necessary but unpopular cuts required to do so aggressively.
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Key point: it was allowed to unwind, and not accelerated with aggressive unpopular cuts. This was a demand of the opposition parties - summarized as "don't fix the deficit on the backs of the Canadians" - which the government was pleased to oblige. That, of course, after the opposition parties pressed the government to undertake that much deficit spending in the first place.