Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Maxman1]

This is just like the Arrow all over again. A plane that won't fit our needs, will cost far more than promised, will be completely obsolete within a decade, yet people have gotten this romantic fantasy about it.

Saab's offers are ridiculous and will never pay off. Their plane lost our competition, twice, and every other competition against the F-35.

 

[Altair]

This is just like the Arrow all over again. A plane that won't fit our needs, will cost far more than promised, will be completely obsolete within a decade, yet people have gotten this romantic fantasy about it.

Saab's offers are ridiculous and will never pay off. Their plane lost our competition, twice, and every other competition against the F-35.

SAAB has lost every competition vs the f35.

So has Dassault.

So has Airbus, BAE Systems, and Leonardo.

So has Boeing.

All very capable fighter jet manufacturers and these jets are in service all around the world, including with NATO allies, many of whom run mixed fleets, including the USA of all places.

The sky isn't falling.

 

[Cloud Cover]

As long as the Gripen doesn’t have to go up against an F35, F15X, F18E/F, etc. it should be fine. As pointed out above, we need Lambos and F150’s. Theres room for both.
I’d really like to see this country take back what has been lost on the factory floor, drawing rooms and innovation side of the house.

 

[Altair]

As long as the Gripen doesn’t have to go up against an F35, F15X, F18E/F, etc. it should be fine. As pointed out above, we need Lambos and F150’s. Theres room for both.
I’d really like to see this country take back what has been lost on the factory floor, drawing rooms and innovation side of the house.

I honestly don't get the consternation.

USA is going to be running the super hornets and f16s into the 2050s.

France will be running the Rafale into the 2040s.

The UK, Italy and Germany will be running the Eurofighter into the 2050s.

Will the Gripen drop off massively compared to other 4.5 gen fighters? Unlikely.

Will this get our foot in the door when SAAB and Europe start on 6th gen fighters? Definitely.

 

[Cloud Cover]

We are saying the same thing except I think the SaaB deal should be taken up as a long term industry re-birth (Gripen to 6th Gen) and the full order of 88 F 35 to bridge the more realistic 10-20 year gap as we get our house in order. As I wrote above, in this country getting something done in 30-40 years is the standard. A 25% improvement is still more than 2 decades.

Second, it’s not the case the Gripen needs to outperform the F35, they need to complement each other by smartly assigning workload. Likely there are missions sets for fighter bombers that an F35 shouldn’t have its time wasted on. There are other missions that only the F35 can perform and give the pilot a reasonable chance to be successful and survive where a Gripen might not.
Israel operates 3 different front line fighters and they are not all equal to each other in tasks. I’m sure the RCAF recognizes that even if the government(s) and critics don’t want to hear it.