Well, she did survive the local mass cull of 2001.And shut up Jenny Kwan... nails on a chalk board that one
Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???
- Thread starter Altair
- Start date
Quirky
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 4,560
- Points
- 1,260
We don't need the ranks of Hamas anywhere near Carney and his government. The NDP need to sort themselves out to give these extremists a place to play.
- Reaction score
- 5,467
- Points
- 1,260
Fred Hahn for the next NDP leader?
I was planning to vote CFP until Carney came on the scene.
PC types don’t think they can influence where to CPC is going and don’t seem to be welcome under that tent anymore.
- Reaction score
- 7,847
- Points
- 1,160
That's pretty standard, and we had the same between CPFs and 280s. Some quals are far more platform specific, so LOE for the delta training will vary.
The RCD requirements will be hugely AEGIS dependent for training, and for the ops room team may include specific collective training requirements to qualify the team members so may be a lot less flexible than what we are used to for jetty hopping.
For the Eng side anyway sounds like there will be very different propulsion platforms, so likely fairly extensive delta training, as well as platform specific quals for things like high power electrical (like on AOPs). The RN design is also coming with some different shoring and some other equipment, so ideally we just adopt it throughout the fleet and not have platform specific emergency equipment for fires and floods that requires retraining.
Nah, my money’s on the dockworkers’ union guy from out west. A return to blue collar labour roots. NDP lost a lot of that to CPC last election and should be frightened by that fact.
daftandbarmy
Army.ca Fossil
- Reaction score
- 42,238
- Points
- 1,160
The nouveau champagne socialists have got issues with their base... and they've never really been able to get full support from all 'working people' (Gawd I hate that term).
The New Democrats and the Working-Class Vote
After a disastrous election, can the NDP reclaim labour support?
On election night, in Burnaby, an emotional Jagmeet Singh stepped down as NDP leader having lost his own seat while the party went from 24 to seven MPs.
Before Singh spoke, Sussanne Skidmore, president of the BC Federation of Labour, highlighted his accomplishments in fighting for dental care and pharmacare.
“I’m proud to be a New Democrat because we’re the party of working-class and everyday people,” she said to cheers and applause. “Unions and workers founded this party. It is our home, and it is our movement.”
As a Vancouverite who grew up in the Cariboo, I was surprised to hear Skidmore say this. I grew up among the working class — ranchers, mill workers and mine workers. Even though they benefit from some of the things the NDP has advocated for, like dental care, I don’t see many of them voting orange or feeling represented by the party.
In B.C., 10 NDP MPs lost their seats. While half of them went to Liberals — like Port Moody-Coquitlam and Victoria — half went to Conservatives. Across the country, the NDP lost more of its seats to Conservatives than to Liberals.
Of those who voted NDP in the 2021 election, 55 per cent voted Liberal, 27 per cent NDP again and 13 per cent Conservative, according to data from Ipsos election-day exit polls shared with The Tyee.
How did this party fall out of favour with so many workers it purports to represent?
The New Democrats and the Working-Class Vote | The Tyee
After a disastrous election, can the NDP reclaim labour support?
- Reaction score
- 2,134
- Points
- 1,160
Jagmeet Singh
Halifax Tar
Army.ca Legend
- Reaction score
- 16,542
- Points
- 1,260
I think you missed my sarcasm.
Quirky
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 4,560
- Points
- 1,260
'working people' just means "low/min-wage earners".
daftandbarmy
Army.ca Fossil
- Reaction score
- 42,238
- Points
- 1,160
Ironically, just like much of their approach since Jack Layton died, they took the 'class' out ...
Brad Sallows
Army.ca Legend
- Reaction score
- 10,782
- Points
- 1,040
The NDP have gotten into an impossible position. Like Democrats in the US, they are now controlled by a tranche of intellectuals who openly despise much of what characterizes the lives of people not consumed by the interests and aims of intellectuals.
Halifax Tar
Army.ca Legend
- Reaction score
- 16,542
- Points
- 1,260
The nouveau champagne socialists have got issues with their base... and they've never really been able to get full support from all 'working people' (Gawd I hate that term).
The New Democrats and the Working-Class Vote
After a disastrous election, can the NDP reclaim labour support?
On election night, in Burnaby, an emotional Jagmeet Singh stepped down as NDP leader having lost his own seat while the party went from 24 to seven MPs.
Before Singh spoke, Sussanne Skidmore, president of the BC Federation of Labour, highlighted his accomplishments in fighting for dental care and pharmacare.
“I’m proud to be a New Democrat because we’re the party of working-class and everyday people,” she said to cheers and applause. “Unions and workers founded this party. It is our home, and it is our movement.”
As a Vancouverite who grew up in the Cariboo, I was surprised to hear Skidmore say this. I grew up among the working class — ranchers, mill workers and mine workers. Even though they benefit from some of the things the NDP has advocated for, like dental care, I don’t see many of them voting orange or feeling represented by the party.
In B.C., 10 NDP MPs lost their seats. While half of them went to Liberals — like Port Moody-Coquitlam and Victoria — half went to Conservatives. Across the country, the NDP lost more of its seats to Conservatives than to Liberals.
Of those who voted NDP in the 2021 election, 55 per cent voted Liberal, 27 per cent NDP again and 13 per cent Conservative, according to data from Ipsos election-day exit polls shared with The Tyee.
How did this party fall out of favour with so many workers it purports to represent?
The New Democrats and the Working-Class Vote | The Tyee
After a disastrous election, can the NDP reclaim labour support?thetyee.ca
They forget that social progressives (Woke left) and working class don't actually have that much in common.
- Reaction score
- 7,847
- Points
- 1,160
I sure did, that's my superpower, sorry.
The delta training can be pretty intense though; normally can take 6-12 months for some packages.
daftandbarmy
Army.ca Fossil
- Reaction score
- 42,238
- Points
- 1,160
- Reaction score
- 7,847
- Points
- 1,160
Which is wild; I miss the NDP that was made up of farmers, unions and other blue collar workers, and would absolutely vote for someone like that with some common sense, fiscal responsibility and focus on getting things done without complicating things. There is way too much that should be niche regulation for very narrow and specific things that somehow becomes a big issue because of the identity politics. Things like premiers talking about trans athletes blows my mind when they are in the single digits and already being addressed by different sport bodies when it made a difference.
IKnowNothing
Army.ca Veteran
- Reaction score
- 2,067
- Points
- 990
No small feat to reconcile between the bold and underlined in todays labour and political environment.
- Reaction score
- 3,615
- Points
- 1,190
Not exactly. The billets for the first RCDs are being held at CRCN level. They will be filled and those initial crews will be trained for RCD. I'm certainly some people will be cross trained and transfer directly from a CPF to an RCD, but it won't be anything like a wholesale crew swap.
- Reaction score
- 7,847
- Points
- 1,160
At the time lots of blue collar workers weren't unionized, even in the trades, and even more now as most unions have shot themselves in the foot by being an opponent to the employer (vice a representive of the workers to ensure they get fair treatment).
I saw the absolutely dangerous shitpumps the steel and car worker unions protected, at the expense of other members.
But overall the early workers rights and union leaders did make a big difference, and got changes made that are frequently in law now.
One company that covered subcontractors that did work for us had an amazing local union; they actually tracked employ productivity at the union, and made sure they were delivering on their end, to make sure the company stayed in business. Some things could be sorted out with some training or a bit of mentoring, so was really just kind of formalizing what the lead hands were doing, but seemed like a great way to identify when people needed formal training/quals for new things they weren't actually trained for (so they could be productive vice figuring out as they went). The amount of rework on their jobs was almost zero as well, so was awesome for us. They cost a bit more, but lots of companies hired them for planned shutdown repairs, and other things where schedule/quality was critical.
This is always going to be the guy that I think of when I think of the NDP that I'd vote for; not everyone's cup of tea on the politics side, but he had integrity, common sense and was flexible to work across party lines to get things done, so have a lot of respect for him and other folks like that. Jack Layton dying was probably a big nosedive for them IMHO as they went right off the rails.
David Christopherson - Wikipedia
- Reaction score
- 7,847
- Points
- 1,160
The actual billets don't transfer either as the numbers are different; we're losing a lot of MSE billets but the ops room and whatever the CSEs look like under AEGIS is a massive increase.
Which should reduce some of the pressure with the martech death spiral, but still short of what we need to run AOPs, JSS, RCD and the subs without a big improvement there.
Best of luck for the WENgs though, especially if they get rolled into new AEGIS specific trades to meet how the USN runs and certifies crews for that system.
