Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

Had to look "copium" up in the Urban Dictionary. LOL

Look up crashout next.

 

[Rifleman62]

PP should pull a John Rustad for the good of the CPC. He is never going to form government. The Ottawa media hate him and that's all most Cdns hear through the MSM.

God (any God) could be the CPC leader and the MSM would have a slug fest to belittle him/her.

 

[Altair]

PP should pull a John Rustad

Be told he's no longer wanted but hang on and accuse those of trying to get rid of him of not following the proper process and insist he's not going anywhere until his position becomes completely untenable and then resign way too late to have any dignity?

 

[Rifleman62]

The CPC need a strong woman (Rona/Lisa) as leader to change their electability.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The unionized workers who the NDP blames for raping all the indigenous women?

Not aware of that storyline or reference.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Not aware of that storyline or reference.

Avi Lewis

 

[Halifax Tar]

The NDP will grow only when all those Unionized workers leave the Conservative Party under PP and move back to their traditional home.
The Conservatives will be only left with the bitter, discontent, disaffected and religious fringe.

Disagree, that's not who the NDP represents or wants to reflect anymore.

They are the party of the urban, white collar, elite, self righteous and woke.

As the LPC continues on its starboard turn they will shed those members and voters.

 

[Remius]

Opinion: Potential disaster looms over Pierre Poilievre’s leadership

For the Conservative Leader, the game is now Survivor and Mark Carney is flipping players like Boston Rob

www.theglobeandmail.com

Death Spiral.

 

[Altair]

Disagree, that's not who the NDP represents or wants to reflect anymore.

They are the party of the urban, white collar, elite, self righteous and woke.

As the LPC continues on its starboard turn they will shed those members and voters.

Probably. There are those on the left who won't forgive Carney.

But when you consider how many CPC MPs feel comfortable leaving the CPC to join Carney, how many CPC voters are as well?

The middle in Canadian politics is a far bigger pool of voters than the fringes.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Probably. There are those on the left who won't forgive Carney.

But when you consider how many CPC MPs feel comfortable leaving the CPC to join Carney, how many CPC voters are as well?

The middle in Canadian politics is a far bigger pool of voters than the fringes.

It is like the middle is the largest section of the Canadian political spectrum and represents the mainstream of Canadian political tendencies.

So obviously any media that caters to the largest market must be, by its very nature, evil, untrustworthy, and anti-democratic.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Disagree, that's not who the NDP represents or wants to reflect anymore.

They are the party of the urban, white collar, elite, self righteous and woke.

As the LPC continues on its starboard turn they will shed those members and voters.

I don’t know a single white collar, ‘elite’ (whatever that means) here in the GTA who has voted for the NDP or would even consider voting for the NDP.

 

[Jarnhamar]

But when you consider how many CPC MPs feel comfortable leaving the CPC to join Carney, how many CPC voters are as well?

2? A disgruntled opportunist who failed to secure influence, advancement, or relevance within their own party and chose proximity to power over principle, and, a low-profile MP with minimal caucus impact who represents a riding that was already structurally favourable to the Liberals and was going Liberal in the next election regardless.

These switchs required little courage, carried minimal electoral risk, and are more about career preservation.

 

[Altair]

2? A disgruntled opportunist who failed to secure influence, advancement, or relevance within their own party and chose proximity to power over principle, and, a low-profile MP with minimal caucus impact who represents a riding that was already structurally favourable to the Liberals and was going back Liberal in the next election regardless.

These switchs required little courage, carried minimal electoral risk, and are more about career preservation.

There are more than two.

Bob Fife currently knows of at least a half dozen more who are wavering. It just takes a lot of intestinal fortitude to make the move, especially with the death threats and the party threatening to dig up dirt on you if they make the move.

From what journalists are describing, there are those who love PP and his theatrics like the vote on the pipeline trying to cause division in the LPC and those who want to actually get stuff done, work with the LPC and the government of Alberta to get projects like pipelines done, and stop playing games. Especially when we are in a trade war with the USA.

It's those in the latter group who are looking at the LPC and thinking maybe they would be more comfortable there.

And if MPs, who face public scrutiny and death threats for leaving the CPC, are considering it, what about the average voter, who faces none of these things? Far easier for them to switch. Don't think for a second that the CPC is entitled to their votes.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Bob Fife currently knows of at least a half dozen more who are wavering.

Why are Conservative MPs going to speak to him, specifically?

 

[IKnowNothing]

These switchs required little courage, carried minimal electoral risk, and are more about career prpreservation.

Ma made significantly more money in his working career than he does as an MP

 

[Jarnhamar]

Ma made significantly more money in his working career than he does as an MP

That's cool. I turned down an offer to make more money doing an easier job as a Nuclear Security Officer a couple years ago. Careers aren't always about money.

 

[Altair]

Why are Conservative MPs going to speak to him, specifically?

He is a Ottawa insider and Ottawa is a small club (you ain't in it) and reporters, lobbyists and politicians all have each other on speed dial.

Ma wasn't even on his radar, so suffice to say the list of potential floor crossers didn't even shrink after Ma made the move.

And brushing this off as two disgruntled MPs doesn't begin to address the unprecedented nature of this.

Trudeau, for all his faults, never had a floor crosser go to another party, even when his party was facing oblivion. Harper only got one in 10 years, with the the LPC as the 3rd biggest party for a significant amount of that time.

Pierre Poilievre has had 2 in two months, with more being rumored to be considering the same. It goes beyond the individual MP, and goes to the leader and the party. And if MPs are thinking about it, voters who face less hurdles, definately are.

Like I said, the center of Canadian politics is where most reasonable people are, and the center was wide open for YEARS as Trudeau drove the LPC left and the CPC catered more to their right flank. Now that Carney is reclaiming that center, you're seeing some CPC members gravitate towards that.

Or as the Beaverton put it, PC member of Parliament joins the PC party of canada under Mark Carney.

 

[Mick]

Trudeau, for all his faults, never had a floor crosser go to another party, even when his party was facing oblivion. Harper only got one in 10 years, with the the LPC as the 3rd biggest party for a significant amount of that time.

Leona Alleslev was elected as a Liberal in 2015, and crossed the floor to the Conservatives in 2018 - I believe she's the only Trudeau floor-crosser.

Otherwise, I think the rest of your post is bang-on.

Edited for spelling.

 

[childs56]

Are you talking poll results or stories about poll results?

They often provide information leading up to the poll, along with leading questions for the poll itself.

How does a polling company "fact check their sources"?

I guess the same way the cbc does. Add an opinion and then support it with your own truths and facts. Until called out on it and then ask for more money.

It is Simple check your sources of informatiom before wording the questions. Ask unbiased questiows, factual questions and provide legitimate links to legtimate sources.

How does a polling firm "retract that info"?

First of all retract the polling results.
Second issue a statement on why you had to retract the data.
Third issue an apology.
Fouth issue proper information amd redo the poll.

It's one thing to not trust the numbers themselves (and all polling companies can be judged on a case-by-case basis based on how they surveyed, when, how they worded questions, who they collected the data for, etc.), and another to not trust other people's read of the same numbers.

Analysing results may also differ depending on the actual poll, demographics, results, desired outcome along with required data for one's own requirements. Extracting data and extrapolating data becomes subject to opinions and desired outcomes for many.

 

[IKnowNothing]

That's cool. I turned down an offer to make more money doing an easier job as a Nuclear Security Officer a couple years ago. Careers aren't always about money.

No they aren't- that's the point.