Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

Well on the second point, not everything needs to be public

Maple Maoists want to forget everything China did to Canada and Canadians as quickly as possible.

The truth behind Chinese agents stealing secret sauce from a lab 5 months before a world wide plague kicked off deserves to be known. At least in my humble opinion.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I seem to remember someone on here talking about how we (the RCN) had to buy vacuum tubes off Czechoslovakia during the height of the Cold War because they were the only ones that produced what we needed. Not really much different. They, 'the sworn enemy' sold a product that we needed, thus we did a deal with them. In that case it was to keep our warships functioning in order to possibly go to war against them. Now we are buying products (consumer overwhelmingly, but how much Chinese steel went into the AOPS's?) from 'a different sworn enemy' once again.

We had to buy printed circuit boards out of Eastern Europe somewhat regularly to keep the 280s going to end of life, and for other things on different classes using very old digital controls.

Supply chains are global, and it's probably impossible to buy anything that has no Chinese production in the main line, component parts or chemicals etc in it.

China industrialized while Canada, the US, the UK and some others decided to get away from 'dirty blue collar labour' and grow service and financial industries instead, while the race for 'shareholder returns' drove further offshoring for short term gains (that only further centralized wealth into the privileged few).

I think the trade deal with China is pragmatic, and as long as people are aware of the risks, and safeguards are put in place where needed for security, then it's manageable. Also, no one has to actually buy any of the cars they are selling; they were promised access, not sales.

Lots of valid fire protection reasons to not have EVs generally park near DND buildings, so maybe this will let us actually enforce those and keep personal EVs parked in the arse end of the parking lots and off bases.

 

[Furniture]

China industrialized while Canada, the US, the UK and some others decided to get away from 'dirty blue collar labour' and grow service and financial industries instead, while the race for 'shareholder returns' drove further offshoring for short term gains (that only further centralized wealth into the privileged few).

This is one of the biggest reasons we need to "make nice" with China to a point.

We don't have the ability to produce things on scale anymore, because it was cheaper to have things made in China. That won't magically change because we don't like how they act, so we need to find a balance between making things here, and buying cheap/low risk products from them.

 

[quadrapiper]

This is one of the biggest reasons we need to "make nice" with China to a point.

We don't have the ability to produce things on scale anymore, because it was cheaper to have things made in China. That won't magically change because we don't like how they act, so we need to find a balance between making things here, and buying cheap/low risk products from them.

And even if we want to start producing at scale, that's years of buy/build the machines to build... etc. before there's useful output.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I wrote that I could as easily live in the US as Canada (or some other places like Germany, Britain, France, etc), which is not the same thing as wanting further integration with them or wanting to move to any of those places right now. I do want people to put more energy into preserving the integration we already have rather than crying "all is lost" and putting energy into burning it all down as fast as they can because they got butt-hurt over something insulting Trump said about Canada, or because they're sinophiles or pro-EU or have some other agenda.

Raising the spectre of provoking separatism in Canada and wondering who might want to separate or worse isn't a path with only one pitfall. "Vive le Quebec libre!" is part of our history, too.

We shouldn't be dealing with China to any greater extent than we deal with Russia. They are predatory states. "Russia out of Ukraine. China out of Tibet." Trump's US is a predatory state; but there is all the difference in the world with the qualifier "Trump's", and the magnitude simply isn't the same. We obviously shouldn't be simultaneously dealing with China because it has bullied us into compliance and then standing up on our hind legs to bark about not being bullied into compliance.

I just wish Canada would stand on its own two feet. We have all the ability and resources walk tall and carry a big stick, but instead we run from bosom bosom looking for someone to protect us.

We are 40 million people and the good lord has granted us the geographic luxury of having all the resources in the world. Jesus H Christ. Get to work, get rich and get strong Canada.

Well on the second point, not everything needs to be public

Traitorous MPs need to made public. Just like traitorous MWOs.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I just wish Canada would stand on its own two feet. We have all the ability and resources walk tall and carry a big stick, but instead we run from bosom bosom looking for someone to protect us.

We are 40 million people and the good lord has granted us the geographic luxury of having all the resources in the world. Jesus H Christ. Get to work, get rich and get strong Canada.



Traitorous MPs need to made public. Just like traitorous MWOs.

And having ex-PM’s run from the bosom of Sophie to the bosom of Katy certainly doesn’t help us.