Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

Well on the second point, not everything needs to be public

Maple Maoists want to forget everything China did to Canada and Canadians as quickly as possible.

The truth behind Chinese agents stealing secret sauce from a lab 5 months before a world wide plague kicked off deserves to be known. At least in my humble opinion.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I seem to remember someone on here talking about how we (the RCN) had to buy vacuum tubes off Czechoslovakia during the height of the Cold War because they were the only ones that produced what we needed. Not really much different. They, 'the sworn enemy' sold a product that we needed, thus we did a deal with them. In that case it was to keep our warships functioning in order to possibly go to war against them. Now we are buying products (consumer overwhelmingly, but how much Chinese steel went into the AOPS's?) from 'a different sworn enemy' once again.

We had to buy printed circuit boards out of Eastern Europe somewhat regularly to keep the 280s going to end of life, and for other things on different classes using very old digital controls.

Supply chains are global, and it's probably impossible to buy anything that has no Chinese production in the main line, component parts or chemicals etc in it.

China industrialized while Canada, the US, the UK and some others decided to get away from 'dirty blue collar labour' and grow service and financial industries instead, while the race for 'shareholder returns' drove further offshoring for short term gains (that only further centralized wealth into the privileged few).

I think the trade deal with China is pragmatic, and as long as people are aware of the risks, and safeguards are put in place where needed for security, then it's manageable. Also, no one has to actually buy any of the cars they are selling; they were promised access, not sales.

Lots of valid fire protection reasons to not have EVs generally park near DND buildings, so maybe this will let us actually enforce those and keep personal EVs parked in the arse end of the parking lots and off bases.

 

[Furniture]

China industrialized while Canada, the US, the UK and some others decided to get away from 'dirty blue collar labour' and grow service and financial industries instead, while the race for 'shareholder returns' drove further offshoring for short term gains (that only further centralized wealth into the privileged few).

This is one of the biggest reasons we need to "make nice" with China to a point.

We don't have the ability to produce things on scale anymore, because it was cheaper to have things made in China. That won't magically change because we don't like how they act, so we need to find a balance between making things here, and buying cheap/low risk products from them.

 

[quadrapiper]

This is one of the biggest reasons we need to "make nice" with China to a point.

We don't have the ability to produce things on scale anymore, because it was cheaper to have things made in China. That won't magically change because we don't like how they act, so we need to find a balance between making things here, and buying cheap/low risk products from them.

And even if we want to start producing at scale, that's years of buy/build the machines to build... etc. before there's useful output.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I wrote that I could as easily live in the US as Canada (or some other places like Germany, Britain, France, etc), which is not the same thing as wanting further integration with them or wanting to move to any of those places right now. I do want people to put more energy into preserving the integration we already have rather than crying "all is lost" and putting energy into burning it all down as fast as they can because they got butt-hurt over something insulting Trump said about Canada, or because they're sinophiles or pro-EU or have some other agenda.

Raising the spectre of provoking separatism in Canada and wondering who might want to separate or worse isn't a path with only one pitfall. "Vive le Quebec libre!" is part of our history, too.

We shouldn't be dealing with China to any greater extent than we deal with Russia. They are predatory states. "Russia out of Ukraine. China out of Tibet." Trump's US is a predatory state; but there is all the difference in the world with the qualifier "Trump's", and the magnitude simply isn't the same. We obviously shouldn't be simultaneously dealing with China because it has bullied us into compliance and then standing up on our hind legs to bark about not being bullied into compliance.

I just wish Canada would stand on its own two feet. We have all the ability and resources walk tall and carry a big stick, but instead we run from bosom bosom looking for someone to protect us.

We are 40 million people and the good lord has granted us the geographic luxury of having all the resources in the world. Jesus H Christ. Get to work, get rich and get strong Canada.

Well on the second point, not everything needs to be public

Traitorous MPs need to made public. Just like traitorous MWOs.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I just wish Canada would stand on its own two feet. We have all the ability and resources walk tall and carry a big stick, but instead we run from bosom bosom looking for someone to protect us.

We are 40 million people and the good lord has granted us the geographic luxury of having all the resources in the world. Jesus H Christ. Get to work, get rich and get strong Canada.



Traitorous MPs need to made public. Just like traitorous MWOs.

And having ex-PM’s run from the bosom of Sophie to the bosom of Katy certainly doesn’t help us.

 

[Halifax Tar]

And having ex-PM’s run from the bosom of Sophie to the bosom of Katy certainly doesn’t help us.

As much as I despise the two of them, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. And the faster Canada pulls away from the decade of darkness he created, and him, the better.

Don't say his name three times.

 

[Czech_pivo]

As much as I despise the two of them, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. And the faster Canada pulls away from the decade of darkness he created, and him, the better.

Don't say his name three times.

Its was merely an example of a CDN running from one set of bosom's to another, lol.

 

[MilEME09]

Traitorous MPs need to made public. Just like traitorous MWOs.

Point 2 was about the lab, which releasing that information without damaging national security or interest would be walking a very fine line.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Point 2 was about the lab, which releasing that information without damaging national security or interest would be walking a very fine line.

I think that line can often be abused under the disguise of national security when in reality its to protect politically aligned pers or a party itself.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Point 2 was about the lab, which releasing that information without damaging national security or interest would be walking a very fine line.

Releasing the info now would make our new allies look bad. That could harm future trade deals which means its a matter of national security to let them get away with it.

 

[MilEME09]

Releasing the info now would make our new allies look bad. That could harm future trade deals which means its a matter of national security to let them get away with it.

One trade deal makes us allies? Many people seem to jump to thr assumption that this trade deal puts us in bed with china. They are the 2nd largest economy in the world, we cant just not trade with them. What matters is the safe guards we put i place to protect our selves. The same goes for any other country.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Releasing the info now would make our new allies look bad. That could harm future trade deals which means its a matter of national security to let them get away with it.

That was disingenuous my friend....

China is, and always will be an adversary / competitor....but that does not mean that we can't and shouldn't sell them stuff

 

[daftandbarmy]

That was disingenuous my friend....

China is, and always will be an adversary / competitor....but that does not mean that we can't and shouldn't sell them stuff

Like the US

 

[RangerRay]

One trade deal makes us allies? Many people seem to jump to thr assumption that this trade deal puts us in bed with china. They are the 2nd largest economy in the world, we cant just not trade with them. What matters is the safe guards we put i place to protect our selves. The same goes for any other country.

I guess what I want to know is what is a “strategic partnership” and why are we in one with two of the most odious regimes in the world?

People who are smarter than me who get paid more than me to think about national security are very concerned.

 

[Jarnhamar]

That was disingenuous my friend....

China is, and always will be an adversary / competitor....but that does not mean that we can't and shouldn't sell them stuff

I have zero heartache against buying and selling stuff to China. I think Canadians deserve to know which Members of Parliament were secretly working with the CCP, and I suspect not wanting to upset China is one of the excuses our government uses to not hold them accountable. Ends justify the means stuff. It's not my tea.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I have zero heartache against buying and selling stuff to China. I think Canadians deserve to know which Members of Parliament were secretly working with the CCP, and I suspect not wanting to upset China is one of the excuses our government uses to not hold them accountable. Ends justify the means stuff. It's not my tea.

Got it. I too would like to see names named.

 

[Jarnhamar]

One trade deal makes us allies? Many people seem to jump to thr assumption that this trade deal puts us in bed with china. They are the 2nd largest economy in the world, we cant just not trade with them. What matters is the safe guards we put i place to protect our selves. The same goes for any other country.

I never said don't trade with China. I said trading with China is an excuse to not name their agents.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Michelle Rempel Garner on "the speech" (also archived here) ....

Michelle Rempel Garner: Nice speech Carney, but what are you going to do about it?

Words mean little if they are not followed up with action

nationalpost.com

... with this bit standing out for me as at least suggesting that PP will likely continue more down the opposing path than trying-to-help-where-he-can-support-it path:

As a reminder, this from PP as of May of last year:

Poilievre vows to work with Carney on U.S. deal ahead of Parliament return - National | Globalnews.ca

In addresses to their caucuses Sunday, Prime Minister Mark Carney and Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre focused, in part, on the importance of securing a deal with the U.S.

globalnews.ca

More on "where next for Team Blue?" from the National Post.

After Carney's Davos speech, Conservatives ponder how Poilievre can meet the foreign policy moment

'I think confronting that reality that (Trump's) not just going to go away, it's unpleasant, and it's less than ideal, but I think it is reality,' said Woodfinden

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[Altair]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mexico-reaction-carney-davos-speech-9.7055585

Prime Minister Mark Carney’s speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, resonated in Mexico, a country which, much like Canada, has also been forced to grapple with the mercurial temperament of its much larger and powerful U.S. neighbour.

Carney’s speech was “in tune with the current times,” said Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, during her morning news conference Wednesday, in response to a Davos-related question from a journalist.

“That was a very good speech by Carney, from Prime Minister Carney, I don’t know if you heard it.”

When was the last time a Canadian PM went to a international get together and delivered a speech being talked about around the world?