Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???
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I think Trump did one thing that hurt him and is going to hurt his economy the most. They (US) buy goods at a low rate, repackage, rebadge it maybe do a bit of assembly, then sell it at a much higher rate to their customers. Is not a bad way of keeping markets going and creating jobs.
The problem is his market (clients) have realized they can cut the middle man out (US) buy direct and save a few dollars. While the seller can charge a bit more and still be happy.
If the US keeps going the way they are, then they may not have providers of the cheap products they have learned to rebadge and sell as Proudly Made. grown assembled in America.
Time will tell if their market and their products are so great that we all need them more then they need us.
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Well if the Big 3’s market share in Canada is any example from the 1990s to today, we know where this is going.
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A new chief trade negotiator to the United States.
I have such little faith in this appointment...I mean come on!! Really??A new chief trade negotiator to the United States.
The lady who was in charge of the public service during a period of out of control hiring, which led to out of control spending, and a bloated public service that is making a huge stink about being asked to go back to the office, and who is a Liberal staffer that supported the Emergencies Act
I think Anand would have been a better choice, if we are picking prominent people from the Liberal Party
I have such low faith in the Liberals and their ability to effectively communicate with the Americans on things - I will genuinely be surprized if we walk away with even the current status quo
EDIT - At least it's not Freeland
She's too busy 'volunteering' as an 'economic advisor' for Ukraine, thank goodness
She was actually Harper's PCO who got booted from the job by Trudeau a couple of months after he took office, though she was brought back as PCO 2021-2023. Harper's last industry minister think's she's a fantastic choice. I have no idea one way or another but it's unfair to lay the blame of almost a decade of public service growth and spending (PCO doesn't pass budgets, parliament does, which you're definitely aware of) by a liberal government at the feet of a non-partisan public servant who was originally appointed by the previous government and initially fired by the one you're complaining about. Maybe we should take less knee jerk reactions to anything done by a group just because we don't like them.I have such little faith in this appointment...I mean come on!! Really??
The lady who was in charge of the public service during a period of out of control hiring, which led to out of control spending, and a bloated public service that is making a huge stink about being asked to go back to the office, and who is a Liberal staffer that supported the Emergencies Act
I think Anand would have been a better choice, if we are picking prominent people from the Liberal Party
I have such low faith in the Liberals and their ability to effectively communicate with the Americans on things - I will genuinely be surprized if we walk away with even the current status quo
EDIT - At least it's not Freeland
She's too busy 'volunteering' as an 'economic advisor' for Ukraine, thank goodness
Direct link to the strategy, I think I pulled it from another thread here but I already forgot who posted it, sorry and thank you.
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I guess we're about to corner the NATO market on 5.56........
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Here is a summary of the doc, with some commentary. One page Exec Summary, and four page review.
MilEME09
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Nitrocellulous is specifically mentioned so sounds more like we want more in the arty game. However all calibres are noted
You are 100% right. Fair point.
I don't know what her performance will be like one way or another, and it's unfair of me to assume that her abilities will automatially be comparable to this government's previous interactions with the Trump administration.
I really should wait & see how she does first, before commenting on her performance. Plus I don't wanna jinx it.
I suppose I should be more optimistic...
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I was under the impression that increasing the throughput in Ingersoll for 155 has been on the agenda for 2-3yrs+ already with no/to limited progress. Would be better if we did more than just make the shell casing and manufactured the entire shell (and more than just 1 version) from 'soup to nuts' here. Though with currently only 36 tubes to launch them from, have to wonder how much of an increase is about to happen.
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We do make the entire assembly. Ingersoll makes the large steel components, GDOTS does the small pieces, energetics, and LAP around Quebec.
There are also pyro manufacturers who make smoke cannisters, illum candles and other items.
From what I've heard a lot of ammo money is for infrastructure update existing areas to modern standards and increase capacity.
I literally loled at the security clearance portion. We can't get security clearances for our own people in anything resembling a timely fashion, getting that sorted for ourselves and industry will be great.
I like a lot of what it says (from what I've skimmed so far), but I worry this be more of our typical 'good idea, poorly executed'. Whether DIA works out well or not, I guess we'll find out.
The concierge supports to help businesses navigate government processes should be a whole of government affair for all things, even better if we can simplify and streamline processes.
Re: Supporting Canadian innovation and small/medium businesses. I like the idea, but I worry that even if we get new companies off the ground other countries are going to engage in the same idea to drive business domestically leaving us with new or existing companies trying to break into the defence sector, with good ideas and solutions, but being shut out by too small/few contracts domestically and similar efforts abroad that lock them out.
I was under the impression they had expanded, both facilities and products, 15k shell bodies a month for both M795 and M1128 though it seems like a lot of (all of?) the production heads south. Fully agree though, we should be able to cover off at least basic rounds complete for all our major systems. Part of that would be consolidating on as few a number of calibres of possible to maximize economies of scale. I hope IFM sees some expansion.
EDIT: I also realize my PCO doesn't budgets comment can come across a little petty, it was intended more as a 'come on man, you know better' kind of thing.
I like a lot of what it says (from what I've skimmed so far), but I worry this be more of our typical 'good idea, poorly executed'. Whether DIA works out well or not, I guess we'll find out.
The concierge supports to help businesses navigate government processes should be a whole of government affair for all things, even better if we can simplify and streamline processes.
Re: Supporting Canadian innovation and small/medium businesses. I like the idea, but I worry that even if we get new companies off the ground other countries are going to engage in the same idea to drive business domestically leaving us with new or existing companies trying to break into the defence sector, with good ideas and solutions, but being shut out by too small/few contracts domestically and similar efforts abroad that lock them out.
I was under the impression they had expanded, both facilities and products, 15k shell bodies a month for both M795 and M1128 though it seems like a lot of (all of?) the production heads south. Fully agree though, we should be able to cover off at least basic rounds complete for all our major systems. Part of that would be consolidating on as few a number of calibres of possible to maximize economies of scale. I hope IFM sees some expansion.
I feel you, I'm inherently pessimistic, particularly about all things Gov and DND/CAF. I do try to be better though, I just get frustrated when we make snap judgements and try to call myself out on it, and others if the opportunity arises.You are 100% right. Fair point.
I don't know what her performance will be like one way or another, and it's unfair of me to assume that her abilities will automatially be comparable to this government's previous interactions with the Trump administration.
I really should wait & see how she does first, before commenting on her performance. Plus I don't wanna jinx it.
I suppose I should be more optimistic...
EDIT: I also realize my PCO doesn't budgets comment can come across a little petty, it was intended more as a 'come on man, you know better' kind of thing.
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How much of the 15k/month is headed to the US? This article - AMMUNITION - IMT Precision, President Remo Assini - Canadian Defence Review - refers to 'shell bodies', which I assume is the 'large steel components' from Ingersoll. Is the 'completed shell' made here with the 'GDOTS' and 'LAP' inputs?
The article talks about a '4.4$ million' expansion at Ingersoll that already lead to 250 new jobs with the expansion and the new contract to expand production to the US. How does this factor into what was announced today? Already included, no included, new future expansion occurring again?
I would assume that there has to be ALOT more coming up for 'Ammunition' to be listed as the Number 1 priority in the newly released documents.
No no, I didn't take it that way.
And you are right. My opinion should be based on results, not pessimistic assumptions. It's hard to argue with the points you made!
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Ingersoll does the foundry work and ships the empty bodies to Quebec. General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems (GDOTS)(formerly SNC and Canadian Arsenals) makes the energetics, smaller components, and does the load, assemble, and pack (LAP) process. SAA up to .50 and 25mm is also produced in Quebec. Fuzes as well.
My knowledge is dated with regard to the production supply chain process, but everyone mentioned, and others, were part of Canada's munitions supply program (MSP) which gave subsidies to the companies but also gave the government power to divert production to Canada instead of exporting if needed. I do not know what the state of the MSP is now, manufacturers were unhappy with it at times.
My knowledge is dated with regard to the production supply chain process, but everyone mentioned, and others, were part of Canada's munitions supply program (MSP) which gave subsidies to the companies but also gave the government power to divert production to Canada instead of exporting if needed. I do not know what the state of the MSP is now, manufacturers were unhappy with it at times.
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