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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

OAS at its current formula is absurd. There’s absolutely no reason high income seniors should be receiving federal welfare. OAS is supposed to be a safety net, not a scaffold. This should be one of the single most obvious candidates for significant government savings.
"But the social contract!"

Fun story- the genesis of both the baby bonus (Familly Allowance) and OAS were in immediate post war era social programs.
At the time, and for decades after they legitimately were seen as part of the social contract, with universal distribution. An argument for universality being to not stigmatize the receipt of the funds- they didn't start as targeted welfare.

Then came the late 80's/early 90's and both programs (parts of the social contract for 40 years) were on the chopping block due to fiscal necessity. As it turned out the Grey Power lobby out performed the Toddler Lobby. One program got axed and turned into a niche poverty averting tax credit, one survived unscathed outside of an increased "Recovery Tax" that didn't kick until 2.5 times the average national annual earnings (at the time)
 
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Meanwhile, despite recent (tiny) downsizing efforts, the size of the public sector continues to grow and consume enormous amounts of cash:

More than 1 in 5 Canadians now works for government—and the share is rising​

At 21.8 percent of employment, we are approaching territory last seen before the spending cuts of the 1990s


When Statistics Canada released the latest Labour Force Survey earlier this month, the headlines were predictable. The unemployment rate fell to 6.5 percent. Overall employment edged down by 25,000. The coverage, as it almost always does, mostly stopped there.

But buried several tables into the same release is a figure that deserves considerably more attention. In January 2026, 4.597 million Canadians worked in the public sector—all employees of federal, provincial, and local governments, government agencies, Crown corporations, and publicly funded establishments like schools, universities, and hospitals.

That represents 21.8 percent of everyone employed in Canada. It is a percentage that has been quietly climbing for five years, and it puts Canada on a trajectory back toward territory last occupied before the fiscal consolidations of the 1990s.

The Carney government’s commitment to reduce federal headcount by 40,000 positions has generated considerable debate. And that discussion is worth having. But it addresses only a narrow slice of a much broader shift, one that the monthly labour force data have been documenting in plain sight.

So the US sits about 15% of its workforce working for all level's of government.

If the US included all private colleges/universities into their numbers I wonder what % they would be at. As some Colleges/Universities are public and some are private, it means that some are included as government employees and some are excluded.

Also, US military personal are NOT included in the count as US government employees. Do our numbers include CAF personal?
 
I will vote for a flat percentage tax starting at a pre-defined value and no subsidies for sure. Would eliminate thousands of accountancy positions, thousands of civil servants and innumerous complaint processes with the CRA>
I hadn't thought of that before...

Probably because I don't even think I understood that first sentence.... Huh???


No sarcasm. I THINK I'm understanding what you are saying, but could you break that first sentence down a bit for me please?



(Sorry, just trying to genuinely follow what's being said & that one popped something in my brain)
 
Noooooooooot a good look on the coach here ....
(NatPost, Globe & Mail archived links)
 
I hadn't thought of that before...

Probably because I don't even think I understood that first sentence.... Huh???


No sarcasm. I THINK I'm understanding what you are saying, but could you break that first sentence down a bit for me please?



(Sorry, just trying to genuinely follow what's being said & that one popped something in my brain)
simply put: everyone pays 20% (as a for instance) of their household gross salary. There are no deductions and no credits except for the number of family members . Lets assume you need 20,000 after taxes as a single person to get by reasonably well; no excessive toys but you are able the rent, a vacation, a car, that type of thing. Therefore you would need an income of 24,000 before your tax level would kick in. If you earned 28,000 then you would pay $5600. Now you get married and have two children. To get by comfortably that would require an income of say $40000. So that would be the base at which you start paying 20%. A person earning $200,000 with a family of 4 would pay 20% of 160,000. Its fair, its simple and the rich actually don't mind it much. Ireland has had that system for years and for a while there tax rate was such that families like The Weston's moved there because it was advantageous compared to what they were paying in Canada.
 
Noooooooooot a good look on the coach here ....
(NatPost, Globe & Mail archived links)


Carney’s stance seems clear to me.
 
simply put: everyone pays 20% (as a for instance) of their household gross salary. There are no deductions and no credits except for the number of family members . Lets assume you need 20,000 after taxes as a single person to get by reasonably well; no excessive toys but you are able the rent, a vacation, a car, that type of thing. Therefore you would need an income of 24,000 before your tax level would kick in. If you earned 28,000 then you would pay $5600. Now you get married and have two children. To get by comfortably that would require an income of say $40000. So that would be the base at which you start paying 20%. A person earning $200,000 with a family of 4 would pay 20% of 160,000. Its fair, its simple and the rich actually don't mind it much. Ireland has had that system for years and for a while there tax rate was such that families like The Weston's moved there because it was advantageous compared to what they were paying in Canada.
I’m assuming that the 20% is just for the Federal level. What about the Provincial level?
 
So the US sits about 15% of its workforce working for all level's of government.

If the US included all private colleges/universities into their numbers I wonder what % they would be at. As some Colleges/Universities are public and some are private, it means that some are included as government employees and some are excluded.

Also, US military personal are NOT included in the count as US government employees. Do our numbers include CAF personal?
Yes, they include CAF. Also US numbers don't include anyone in heathcare, which is a pretty large employer across Canada, particularly with our current demographics. Apparently the UK is around 18%, with most of the OECD in the low 20s and the outliers in the Scandi countries at about 30%.

If the GoC cuts 40k public servants, but adds on 60k CAF members, that's still a net growth, and will also need more DND public servants/crown corps (like DCC) and supporting depts (like PSPC) to support all that new equipment, infra and contracts. DRDC is also growing, which is good as we've lost a lot of internal expertise in some pretty core things, where we used to be really innovative compared to our allies.
 
What's wild about it is their fancy automated systems never worked, and they were at $50 lb for a price point, which is insane.

The article also interviewed another guy with a much lower tech setup that was doing a lot better, with about a third of the footprint, but sounded like he understood both the process as well as the market a lot better.

The whole business sounds a bit like some of the high tech pump and dump schemes, where it looks great on paper, gets lot of investors but doesn't actually work, so the only ones that make money are the ones that get it to IPO and sell off their stock options at a hugely inflated rate before it falls apart.
I went to grade school with a brother/sister duo who's dad did precisely that...

He would start companies, some of which were exactly along those same lines.

Revolutionary. Exclusively Pattented. The Next Generation of <Insert Important Sounding Industry Here>. The Solution to This Big Problem. Etc


He would nurture that baby from idea, to registered business, thru all kinds of 'market studies' and 'scientific studies & dialogue', then all the way thru the IPO process...

And he would MAKE ABSOLUTELY BANK doing this. Filthy f**king rich.

(New Lamborghini's, the little cell phone ear attachment bluetooth thing BEFORE they were popular, etc etc. Dressed kinda like of a Hindu party guy was also a Mexican cartel leader, and attending a formal business meeting...if that makes any sense?)

And never, for one moment, did I ever get the impression that he wasn't a total flippin' slimeball that could be trusted to even water flowers.


Those shares never seemed to be worth very much, and those big changes to the way the world was supposed to work never really materialized.

(Similar to that scam during the 2003 Iraq War, re buying Iraqi dinars & their monetary system reset)


And as we grew up, I got the impression he might have a lot of enemies & the police might have at least been 'aware' of him if he wasn't a full sized raging contact on their radar already

...

Random Story...

I remember having a conversation with him once at a dinner party. I think it was like an Easter dinner or a Thanksgiving dinner, and there were a bunch of families all having dinner together...and I'm pretty sure it was at his house.

I think I was like 10yo or 12yo.

Anyway he tried to explain to me that in 10 to 20 years time, we would be able to pay for things by sending money through the air...

It would be pretty rudimentary at first. But that as time went on the technology would evolve, and the market would then create companies that would 'add to it' and 'make it accessible to anyone who wanted to use it'

And we would have these devices that we could talk to anybody else in the world on, in real time, and even talk face to face with them in real time just using these devices.

We would be able to send them a message that they could read and reply to, if you didn't need to actually 'talk' talk...

And using these same devices we would pay for things, buy things, and could send money to other people. It would have a camera for people to take pictures on.

And then said something like "and all of the memory of all of these pictures, and everything, would just be stored like in the air..." and I remember him shrugging as he said it, like so casually and like it was no big deal



When we had this conversation, e-mail hadn't even been invented yet. I thought he had kinda lost it.

My 10yo self thought it sounded like some buuullllllsssshhhhiiiitttt. It sounded like a cool fantasy bro, but should you be this drunk if you're the host of this dinner??

The idea of a PC in every home hadn't even crossed my lexicon yet. Even in the newest classrooms being built, we had 1 PC per every 2 classrooms



So now, as an adult in 2026, I genuinely want to know so badly how in the f-ing world he predicted so damn accurately the evolution of everyday communication/commerce technology!???

Like HOW??

I'm 43yo now. This conversation happened when I was around 10 years old. I couldn't have been older than 13 at the oldest.


In hindsight it actually just blows my mind.

Especially considering I think he died fairly young. (I remember running into the kids I went to school with at a funeral for our classmate about 20 years ago, and when I asked them how their mom and dad were doing they had said he had recently passed away)

Which makes his predictions even more mind blowing to me.



(Daily random story is now finished. Sorry folks, I didn't see it coming either.)



simply put: everyone pays 20% (as a for instance) of their household gross salary. There are no deductions and no credits except for the number of family members . Lets assume you need 20,000 after taxes as a single person to get by reasonably well; no excessive toys but you are able the rent, a vacation, a car, that type of thing. Therefore you would need an income of 24,000 before your tax level would kick in. If you earned 28,000 then you would pay $5600. Now you get married and have two children. To get by comfortably that would require an income of say $40000. So that would be the base at which you start paying 20%. A person earning $200,000 with a family of 4 would pay 20% of 160,000. Its fair, its simple and the rich actually don't mind it much. Ireland has had that system for years and for a while there tax rate was such that families like The Weston's moved there because it was advantageous compared to what they were paying in Canada.
That actually makes so much more sense...

I'm sure there must be a downside to that type of system, but on the surface it seems pretty fair & logical
 
I'd say that one was markedly less challenging.

Conservatives and anti-Carney crowd in general should realize the gotchya moments and attempts to put him on the spot are wasted effort. Adults in the room are quite willing to overlook that ethics stuff.

It's clear MA was trying to be a Beijing attack dog - no one cares all that much.
 
Conservatives and anti-Carney crowd in general should realize the gotchya moments and attempts to put him on the spot are wasted effort. Adults in the room are quite willing to overlook that ethics stuff.

It's clear MA was trying to be a Beijing attack dog - no one cares all that much.
Lots of picking battles, lots of cost benefit analysis to be done… At that level few principles come without consequences, and in this particular instance there’s a nexus to a major trading partner, and keeping food on the table for a lot of Canadians while we try to get stuff squared away with the neighbours.

Not excusing anything or trying to justify it. I’m just happy I don’t have to work at that level and make those choices.
 
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