Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[mariomike]

Readers interested in HSR may find this discussion of interest,

21 pages

Thread 'High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"'

19 Feb 2025

This is where any possible new defense money has been allocated - a desperate legacy that Trudeau is trying to build for himself before he shuffles off to his newest teaching assignment.

Canada is getting high-speed rail

The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced that Canada is developing a high-speed rail network in the Toronto-Quebec City corridor.

www.pm.gc.ca

• Czech_pivo
• Replies: 408
• Forum: Canadian Politics

• 

 

[Czech_pivo]

Readers interested in HSR may find this discussion of interest,

21 pages

Thread 'High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"'

19 Feb 2025

This is where any possible new defense money has been allocated - a desperate legacy that Trudeau is trying to build for himself before he shuffles off to his newest teaching assignment.

Canada is getting high-speed rail

The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced that Canada is developing a high-speed rail network in the Toronto-Quebec City corridor.

www.pm.gc.ca

• Czech_pivo
• Replies: 408
• Forum: Canadian Politics

• 

I had forgotten about that post.

 

[CBH99]

Just a quick note on the Alto HSR, the fact that Atkins Realis (Formerly SNC Lavalin, yeah the very same) is the main contractor is not bothering anyone here?

Jobs man!

Jobs. And 'investing in Canadians & Canadian businesses'...sheesh, get on board already



SNC Lavalin? Never heard of em'...

 

[Furniture]

On another note, this the Liberal Minority Discussion thread,
in many instances I notice a crowd of people here will discuss at length any potential positives they LPC may be perceived or are actually doing.

But same crowd shys away from say the Court ruling on the emergencies act being illegal (whish is a big F-ing deal), Michael Ma whole fiasco on forced labour (so bad the CBC even called him out) or Carney starting to asked a lot more difficult discussions on cost of living, etc.

Call me an asshole and tell me if I am wrong but in my opinion, many of you won't discuss issues that cast shade on carney and the LPC.

That this topic is pretty cleanly split along partisan and rural/urban lines indicates that most are likely approaching it from a partisan perspective, rather than considering it on it's merits alone.

Faster and easier commuting between the largest cities in the country is a good thing. Even I, raised more rural than most*, can see why HSR makes sense.

HSR, alongside LRT, busses, etc., is far more efficient than yet another road leading to the same 5-10 choke points. How many more lanes leading into the 174/417 interchange, 417/Carling interchange, or 417/416 interchange does Ottawa need?

Sometimes the right solution is the mix of two solutions. @Brad Sallows' more busses, and @ytz's more rail. They aren't mutually exclusive, and since busses are a municipla/provincial issue, the Feds putting money into interprovincial/intermunicipal transit makes sense.

* I grew up a mile outside of a hamlet of 300... The closest "town" had less than 3000.

 

[brihard]

That this topic is pretty cleanly split along partisan and rural/urban lines indicates that most are likely approaching it from a partisan perspective, rather than considering it on it's merits alone.

Faster and easier commuting between the largest cities in the country is a good thing. Even I, raised more rural than most*, can see why HSR makes sense.

HSR, alongside LRT, busses, etc., is far more efficient than yet another road leading to the same 5-10 choke points. How many more lanes leading into the 174/417 interchange, 417/Carling interchange, or 417/416 interchange does Ottawa need?

Sometimes the right solution is the mix of two solutions. @Brad Sallows' more busses, and @ytz's more rail. They aren't mutually exclusive, and since busses are a municipla/provincial issue, the Feds putting money into interprovincial/intermunicipal transit makes sense.

* I grew up a mile outside of a hamlet of 300... The closest "town" had less than 3000.

Does your familiarity with Ottawa go back before ‘fix the split’ or is that too far back?

 

[Furniture]

Does your familiarity with Ottawa go back before ‘fix the split’ or is that too far back?

Too far back for me, I got here in '19.

Edit: Oh God... Why didn't anyone think of diverting through traffic out of the core rather than just adding lanes?

 

[brihard]

Too far back for me, I got here in '19.

Edit: Oh God... Why didn't anyone think of diverting through traffic out of the core rather than just adding lanes?

Oh man. So, used to be the exit for 174 westbound onto St Laurent wasn’t split off after Blair and combined with the 417 eastbound exit like it is now. It was a totally normal off ramp… after the merge of westbound 417/147. So traffic coming westbound on 417 from Innes/Walkley/Hunt Club would join the 174 just as it does now, but you had the option to try to cut hard right across the joining 174 lanes to make the St Laurent exit. In anything more than light traffic it was a batshit insane exercise in cutting across three lanes that had a tendency to turn Kamikaze. ‘Fix the Split’ was the big slogan in Ottawa transit for years and years.

 

[PrairieFella]

That this topic is pretty cleanly split along partisan and rural/urban lines indicates that most are likely approaching it from a partisan perspective, rather than considering it on it's merits alone.

Faster and easier commuting between the largest cities in the country is a good thing. Even I, raised more rural than most*, can see why HSR makes sense.

HSR, alongside LRT, busses, etc., is far more efficient than yet another road leading to the same 5-10 choke points. How many more lanes leading into the 174/417 interchange, 417/Carling interchange, or 417/416 interchange does Ottawa need?

Sometimes the right solution is the mix of two solutions. @Brad Sallows' more busses, and @ytz's more rail. They aren't mutually exclusive, and since busses are a municipla/provincial issue, the Feds putting money into interprovincial/intermunicipal transit makes sense.

* I grew up a mile outside of a hamlet of 300... The closest "town" had less than 3000.

Im with you on that 100%. I currently live in Winnipeg but resided most of my life on a farm NE of the city and will return when I can afford it - I will prpbably never benefit from this but I can see the utilitarian good for a very large percentage of my fellow countrymen. Its not a "fuck you I got mine" situation.

 

[Maxman1]

Readers interested in HSR may find this discussion of interest,

21 pages

Thread 'High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"'

19 Feb 2025

This is where any possible new defense money has been allocated - a desperate legacy that Trudeau is trying to build for himself before he shuffles off to his newest teaching assignment.

Canada is getting high-speed rail

The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced that Canada is developing a high-speed rail network in the Toronto-Quebec City corridor.

www.pm.gc.ca

• Czech_pivo
• Replies: 408
• Forum: Canadian Politics

• 

I had forgotten about that post.

 

[ArmyRick]

That this topic is pretty cleanly split along partisan and rural/urban lines indicates that most are likely approaching it from a partisan perspective, rather than considering it on it's merits alone.

Faster and easier commuting between the largest cities in the country is a good thing. Even I, raised more rural than most*, can see why HSR makes sense.

HSR, alongside LRT, busses, etc., is far more efficient than yet another road leading to the same 5-10 choke points. How many more lanes leading into the 174/417 interchange, 417/Carling interchange, or 417/416 interchange does Ottawa need?

Sometimes the right solution is the mix of two solutions. @Brad Sallows' more busses, and @ytz's more rail. They aren't mutually exclusive, and since busses are a municipla/provincial issue, the Feds putting money into interprovincial/intermunicipal transit makes sense.

* I grew up a mile outside of a hamlet of 300... The closest "town" had less than 3000.

To reiterate a point I made earlier (a few post ago), I would be ok for the most part with an HSR IF the financial books were in order (they are a terrible mess and the extravagant spending has NOT slowed down at all under the LPC). I also picked up on another good point, this project definitely needs consultation at provincial and municipal levels before any moves are made (it appears that this is being rammed down the throats).

The pipelines and LNG to international customers beyond the USA issue? Is much different, all the leg work has been done over and over again, its blatant federal government stalling and dithering on the issue. And that is a MUCH higher priority to the us and the global community.

On that topic, Donald's beatdown on Iran had one again opened a golden opportunity (and a clear message) for us to steam ahead full throttle on piepelines/oil and gas, and here we are ho-hum, twiddle our fingers and make lots of lame excuses and justifications.

Go Liberal Canada, lets shoot for 11th place in a ten horse race.

 

[ytz]

That this topic is pretty cleanly split along partisan and rural/urban lines indicates that most are likely approaching it from a partisan perspective, rather than considering it on it's merits alone.

As I pointed out earlier. There was cross-party support until basically PP chose to make it partisan last week. The CPC had it in their policy platform. O'Toole had it in his platform. And the biggest long time proponent was Peterborough's Conservative MP who pushed this during the Harper era (where the original idea started).

And also like I posted earlier. Polling does not show this divided along partisan lines either. The majority of conservatives support this. Loud does not equal numerous.

 

[PuckChaser]

Do you have this on scheduled send? It stops being mildly amusing when its posted twice in 18 hours.