Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[FJAG]

How many on the right!!

Me for one.

Absolutely. Long live the centre.

I think the CPC's affirmation of a leader who not only lost his slam-dunk seat and is currently incapable from forming coherent sentences and arguments speaks to the fact that they and I are parting ways.

I'm still sitting just right of centre and its good to see that while the CPC is drifting away from me the LPC is drifting my way.

Carney just needs to find a way to 88 F-35s and I'll be good to go.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I mean we do it for Saudi and others sooo not really unprecedented

Great example.

At the end of the day Canada hired a banker as prime minister, not a politician.

We need Lord of War Nicholas Cage not National Treasure Nicholas Cage.

Some on the right also seem ignore Harper having made the Aga Khan an honourary Canadian citizen (after bashing PMJT for his links to same)

Unless Harper recieved gifts from Aga Khan I don't think those are in the same ballpark.

 

[Remius]

Some on the right also seem ignore Harper having made the Aga Khan an honourary Canadian citizen (after bashing PMJT for his links to same), so people with blinders will have blinders. To be fair, though, blinders exist on all sides.

Heads up: CBC produced this edition of "The House" at the convention just after the vote - around minute 26, the host is speaking with PP's campaign manager Steve Outhouse (sounds like the interview was done before the leadership ratification vote). WELL worth while listening just to that interview to hear what someone who seems to respect the other side while disagreeing with them could sound like.

CBC's The House -- Where do the Conservatives go from here?

I figure a persona 1/2 between this one and PP's harshest, edgiest persona might be the way to get more centrists back into the Blue tent.

They also forget that Harper opened the door to China in his own quest to diversify our economy.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Me for one.

I think the CPC's affirmation of a leader who not only lost his slam-dunk seat and is currently incapable from forming coherent sentences and arguments speaks to the fact that they and I are parting ways.

I'm still sitting just right of centre and its good to see that while the CPC is drifting away from me the LPC is drifting my way.

Carney just needs to find a way to 88 F-35s and I'll be good to go.

Politics aside, there was always a reasonably good business case for buying F35s, that gets worse as we muck around, just from the Canadian companies that supply parts and maintenance to the fleet. We could have bought them all under the old deal, parked them and never flown them and Canadian tax cofferes would have come out ahead.

The business case for operating mixed fleets is similarly insane, at least until we have gotten the F35s online and grown the CAF operational, support and infra side of things, so hopefully that takes precedence.

But the US is currently so nuts, doesn't hurt to start a project to add a second fighter jet as a backfill, and plan to mix things in in 10 years. The actual maintenance and availability of the F35s isn't great, so dumping a number of them early instead of running them into the ground might 10 years past end of life make sense.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... Unless Harper recieved gifts from Aga Khan I don't think those are in the same ballpark.

And did anyone ask that question after Khan got the citizenship? I didn't hear any of the critics of Trudeau & Co. asking, although I stand to be corrected.

 

[Jarnhamar]

And did anyone ask that question after Khan got the citizenship?

Based of what I can see Harper gave him honorary citizenship which is highly symbolic in nature but conifers no legal status.

Harper did so in recognition of the guys longstanding and humanitarian development work. It doesn't appear Harper received anything in return; gifts, or paid vacations to tropical islands. Harper certainty didn't paint him as an old family friend.

 

[MilEME09]

We need Lord of War Nicholas Cage not National Treasure Nicholas Cage.

Suddenly I pictured Carney stealing the declaration of independence from Trump and laughed way to hard.

 

[Good2Golf]

Moves like this is how you get point rated criteria to knock off points if the equipment includes ITAR listed components. The intent makes sense, the execution is terrible and way over reaching (ie down to common fasteners, o-rings etc).

Since times have a changed, and they had previously deselected themselves from the competition because Canada was a selfie-taking, land-acknowledging unserious nation, it would be interesting to see hope Eurofighter and Rafale would fare against F-35 and Gripen?

One defence to this I've seen a few times is the idea we can just make those parts ourselves.

P&W Canada does not make afterburning engines, which rules out domestic production to contribute to a non-ITAR Gripen.

 

[dapaterson]

P&W Canada does not make afterburning engines, which rules out domestic production to contribute to a non-ITAR Gripen.

To the contrary, sounds like a fine, expensive R&D boondoggle.

 

[The Bread Guy]

At the end of the day Canada hired a banker as prime minister, not a politician.

Yup.

We need Lord of War Nicholas Cage not National Treasure Nicholas Cage.

Part of me thinks the right mix of both might work well, but it may be too much to hope for. Or (glass half full) he could add to his tool belt.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

At the end of the day Canada the Liberal party membership hired a banker as prime minister leader, not a politician and he got the confidence of the Commons, so was asked to form a government by the GG.

FTFY. If we can't get how our constitutional system of governance works right, we can't get anywhere.

 

[HavokFour]

Jenni Byrne has somewhat started to read the room, however I hope that the imagined plan isn't to just roll over.

Byrne, who is a looming figure in Conservative politics, says linking the trade war with the U.S. to the party's central affordability message is key to gaining political ground.

"I think you absolutely can do both.… I think it's staying on top of things, being adaptable and seeing how that is actually going to affect Canadians' day-to-day life," Byrne said in an exclusive interview with CBC News.

Byrne listed emerging geopolitical threats and Canada's changing relationship with its closest ally. "All of that, though, contributes to what is going on in Canada in terms of affordability," she said.

Yet they still went all in on '[verb] the [noun]' in 2025, even after Trudeau was out of the picture.

She said issues including trade diversification, rebuilding the military, resource development and building pipelines are all Conservative ideas that would put Canada in a better bargaining position.

Former campaign manager says Conservatives should link U.S. relations to cost of living​

 

[RangerRay]

They also forget that Harper opened the door to China in his own quest to diversify our economy.

In Harper’s defence, he started out strong, but came under extreme pressure from the very connected business community, particularly the Canada China Business Council, which is basically an influence op of the United Front Work Department.

Harper, being pro business, was easily persuaded to change course.

 

[HavokFour]

What does everyone here think about this? Maybe a refueling station or other CFS for the RCN or RCAF might be feasible, but a full base as discussed in the article wouldn't make much sense as it's too far from the arctic and too far from major population centres.

Pierre Polievre wants a Churchill base, but experts debate northern Manitoba town's military capacity​

 

[Remius]

What does everyone here think about this? Maybe a refueling station or other CFS for the RCN or RCAF might be feasible, but a full base as discussed in the article wouldn't make much sense as it's too far from the arctic and too far from major population centres.

Pierre Polievre wants a Churchill base, but experts debate northern Manitoba town's military capacity​

Who would want to move there…

 

[MilEME09]

What does everyone here think about this? Maybe a refueling station or other CFS for the RCN or RCAF might be feasible, but a full base as discussed in the article wouldn't make much sense as it's too far from the arctic and too far from major population centres.

Pierre Polievre wants a Churchill base, but experts debate northern Manitoba town's military capacity​

Would be very difficult to supply as well, roads, rail are not in the best shape, airport would need work to support heavy transports like a C17. Really what strategic value would a full base there even have?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Would be very difficult to supply as well, roads, rail are not in the best shape, airport would need work to support heavy transports like a C17. Really what strategic value would a full base there even have?

we need to hold ground, and stake out our claim.

 

[MilEME09]

we need to hold ground, and stake out our claim.

And the best place for that is Churchil? Seems to be a status quo location and doesnt actually asset sovereignty any more on the arctic than cold lake does.

We we want presence in the arctic then aim for the territories. White horse or yellow knife for example.

 

[Quirky]

Politician making political promises, nothing else. We’re better off expanding existing locations - Yellowknife, Inuvik, Iqaluit.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Politician making political promises, nothing else. We’re better off expanding existing locations - Yellowknife, Inuvik, Iqaluit.

Agreed, of course, and I was a part of the analysis of ideal FOB and permanent basing options.

The Churchill option has a few benefits:

• It is indeed political theatre, but at least CPC is finally offering alternates or a least a concept of a plan.
• It has the benefit of being a "fresh announcement", vice the reams of promises and announcement made and remade by the Trudeau government - with very little action
• The signal is as much external (CPC means business wrt Arctic) as internal

I say we give PP the benefit of the doubt on this one, but ask to see the plan.....