Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[brihard]

We prefer back door majority.

I’ll take “unsafe Googles” for $800, Alex.

Ugh I want to stay away from this thread...

I see this more as more Carney kneeling on the neck of the CPC. He knows they have to prop him up. So make them be a flaccid phallus opposition.

Loosing massively would be amazing for the CPC. It would reset them. Carney doesn't want that.

Its a power play. A simple out right political power play. Its twisting the bayonet.

Meh, he’s not done anything to the CPC they haven’t chosen to do to themselves. A reset is entirely within their reach any time they want one. And the CPC don’t need to prop him up anymore. They dodged the election more effectively than they ever intended.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Ugh I want to stay away from this thread...

I see this more as more Carney kneeling on the neck of the CPC. He knows they have to prop him up. So make them be a flaccid phallus opposition.

Loosing massively would be amazing for the CPC. It would reset them. Carney doesn't want that.

Its a power play. A simple out right political power play. Its twisting the bayonet.

The LPC are signaling they're open to privatizing our airports, and now ports. If they forge ahead with this I'll be curious if they're content with the backdoor majority or call an election to firm up their authority.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The LPC are signaling they're open to privatizing our airports, and now ports. If they forge ahead with this I'll be curious if they're content with the backdoor majority or call an election to firm up their authority.

I wish they would. Canada needs this.

 

[brihard]

The LPC are signaling they're open to privatizing our airports, and now ports. If they forge ahead with this I'll be curious if they're content with the backdoor majority or call an election to firm up their authority.

I wish they would. Canada needs this.

I could see this kicking off a fight with organized labour, particularly at the seaports. There will be fears of private ownership pushing further automation. It’s a longstanding barrier to efficiency and productivity.

 

[GR66]

I could see this kicking off a fight with organized labour, particularly at the seaports. There will be fears of private ownership pushing further automation. It’s a longstanding barrier to efficiency and productivity.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The pips are squeaking...

https://twitter.com/x/status/2054942893580980404

 

[YZT580]

I could see this kicking off a fight with organized labour, particularly at the seaports. There will be fears of private ownership pushing further automation. It’s a longstanding barrier to efficiency and productivity.

and you can bet that Beijing will be right in there with the dollars. It is a very dangerous road to travel. What they are after is more money to spend

 

[brihard]

The pips are squeaking...

https://twitter.com/x/status/2054942893580980404

It would be very interesting to see that broken down by residence type. I wonder if this is more collapsing of the house (or I guess tower) of cards that is leveraged micro-condo portfolios bought for the short term rentals market? A lot of those have gone underwater in terms of equity value versus mortgages, and cannot be sold other than at a steep loss.

and you can bet that Beijing will be right in there with the dollars. It is a very dangerous road to travel. What they are after is more money to spend

Indeed. That’s where the national security provisions of the Investment Canada Act come in.

If privatized, hopefully they get picked up by large institutional investors like pension funds. CPPIB for example has a sizeable portfolio of foreign port holdings.

 

[HavokFour]

Here it is. Taking the pragmatic approach to keep costs down via NG.

The Clean Electricity Regulations are also going to be amended to allow for more flexibility nationwide.

Prime Minister Carney announces forthcoming National Electricity Strategy

Electricity is the clear solution to Canada’s energy security, affordability, and competitiveness.

www.pm.gc.ca

Also worth a note.

4. Make more of the technologies and components powering our grid here at home

• As we build the clean economy of the future, Canada’s new government is ensuring our industries can bridge to seize its opportunities. These consultations will explore how to grow domestic manufacturing capacity so that more of the components powering our grid are made in Canada.

Natural gas to play key role in strategy to double Canada’s electricity grid by 2050​

Canada aims to double electricity grid capacity by 2050 as demand soars - National | Globalnews.ca

Demand for electricity in Canada is soaring with multiple new requirements that include electric vehicles, data centres and defence industrial production.

globalnews.ca

 

[Jarnhamar]

And just why shouldn't asylum seekers be allowed to vote for party members they want to represent them as future Canadians? Or IDing yourself with an Amazon order.

Seems like someone is a sore loser.

Ontario Liberals can't sweep voting irregularities under rug

LILLEY: Ontario Liberals can't sweep voting irregularities under rug

The Ontario Liberal nomination race mess in Scarborough Southwest can’t simply be swept under the rug, writes Brian Lilley. Find out more.

torontosun.com

“Dozens and dozens of asylum-seekers voted with their refugee claimant documents. Others were able to prove their addresses using just an apartment lease, sometimes two of which listed voters under 18,” Katsouris said.

“Other non-standard forms of ID accepted included digital report cards and Amazon orders. One man even voted with a foreign visitor’s visa.”

 

[YZT580]

It would be very interesting to see that broken down by residence type. I wonder if this is more collapsing of the house (or I guess tower) of cards that is leveraged micro-condo portfolios bought for the short term rentals market? A lot of those have gone underwater in terms of equity value versus mortgages, and cannot be sold other than at a steep loss.


Indeed. That’s where the national security provisions of the Investment Canada Act come in.

If privatized, hopefully they get picked up by large institutional investors like pension funds. CPPIB for example has a sizeable portfolio of foreign port holdings.

I wish there was a more applicable word than "hopefully". If Beijing makes an offer you can bet it will cost us dearly if history is any indication

 

[HavokFour]

And just why shouldn't asylum seekers be allowed to vote for party members they want to represent them as future Canadians? Or IDing yourself with an Amazon order.

Seems like someone is a sore loser.

Ontario Liberals can't sweep voting irregularities under rug

LILLEY: Ontario Liberals can't sweep voting irregularities under rug

The Ontario Liberal nomination race mess in Scarborough Southwest can’t simply be swept under the rug, writes Brian Lilley. Find out more.

torontosun.com

I mean, the very first time I voted I didn't have a drivers license or an ID at the time. So I used the shipping information ripped off a box to prove where I lived and my mother to vouch for me.

 

[lenaitch]

The LPC are signaling they're open to privatizing our airports, and now ports. If they forge ahead with this I'll be curious if they're content with the backdoor majority or call an election to firm up their authority.

I don't know about ports but you do realize that with airports, the federal government is just the landlord. Major airports are already operated by non-profit authorities.

 

[Furniture]

Silly game? He has a razor thin majority, very subject to any number of things that can shave it. He’s also subject to having to manage his own caucus and keep any dissenters in line. He’s inherited and is trying to bend to his own will a party that’s been governing for a decade; he’s disrupting its own entrenched power dynamics and factions and aiming to supplant them with his own. Wanting to potentially nip that would not be a ‘silly game’. Nor would be silencing all the dumb voices about a ‘false majority’ or what have you.

I agree with his course of action. I’m pleasantly surprised that he didn’t bend more than he has to the politically rational advice of the many people surrounding him, many of whom I’m sure have urged him to consider it. Calling an election to reaffirm his mandate would have been rational and defensible.

Yes, an election would be a silly game when there is a near zero percent probability of the CPC, Bloc, or NDP looking for an election. The last time a PM played a game like that, they came out with the same result they went in with. Even with a minority, the LPC were not being prevented from governing, and seemed to be cooperating with the CPC quite effectively. That's what Canadians want from their elected leaders. Carney was elected because he wasn't seen as the old LPC all over again. Acting like the old LPC and calling an unneeded election would poke some pretty big holes in that image.

Internal dissent is not going to be quieted by election that gives everybody else the chance to poke holes in the government's performance, and the about-face on multiple issues that until recently were LPC defining ideas. A few years of steady approval, and getting some concrete accomplishments is what will right the ship inside the LPC.

Why are you making this personal? I have no party affiliation. My voting record supports that. Had JT remained in charge of the Liberals I was happy to help change that diaper.

Hack was more sharp than necessary, so my apologies for going too far with that term.

You say you're not for any party, but on here the record pretty clearly shows that you have supported the actions of those who keep the LPC in power longer, like when Singh was playing 8D chess by keeping the LPC afloat during the lowest lows of Trudeau's/LPC's popularity. I'm not holding it against you, merely pointing out that from the other side of the screen you come across as pretty heavily slanted in a particular direction, despite protestations to the contrary.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Ugh I want to stay away from this thread...

I see this more as more Carney kneeling on the neck of the CPC. He knows they have to prop him up. So make them be a flaccid phallus opposition.

Loosing massively would be amazing for the CPC. It would reset them. Carney doesn't want that.

Its a power play. A simple out right political power play. Its twisting the bayonet.

Between

The pips are squeaking...

https://twitter.com/x/status/2054942893580980404

Yes they are beginning to.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I don't know about ports but you do realize that with airports, the federal government is just the landlord. Major airports are already operated by non-profit authorities.

Sure, but once the priority becomes maxing revenue and profitability you're going to inevitably increase corporate and private sector influence over infrastructure (that used to be treated primarily as public service).

It will be ironic if we see Liberal supporters defend that considering how often Conservatives get accused of being too close to big business.

 

[brihard]

Yes, an election would be a silly game when there is a near zero percent probability of the CPC, Bloc, or NDP looking for an election. The last time a PM played a game like that, they came out with the same result they went in with. Even with a minority, the LPC were not being prevented from governing, and seemed to be cooperating with the CPC quite effectively. That's what Canadians want from their elected leaders. Carney was elected because he wasn't seen as the old LPC all over again. Acting like the old LPC and calling an unneeded election would poke some pretty big holes in that image.

Internal dissent is not going to be quieted by election that gives everybody else the chance to poke holes in the government's performance, and the about-face on multiple issues that until recently were LPC defining ideas. A few years of steady approval, and getting some concrete accomplishments is what will right the ship inside the LPC.

So, I don’t mean quieting dissent in terms of shutting people up. I mean removing the leverage than a bare one or two vote majority can give party backbenchers when every single vote counts. Just to clarify what I meant there.

Hack was more sharp than necessary, so my apologies for going too far with that term.

You say you're not for any party, but on here the record pretty clearly shows that you have supported the actions of those who keep the LPC in power longer, like when Singh was playing 8D chess by keeping the LPC afloat during the lowest lows of Trudeau's/LPC's popularity. I'm not holding it against you, merely pointing out that from the other side of the screen you come across as pretty heavily slanted in a particular direction, despite protestations to the contrary.

I see the misunderstanding now.

I look at things and do my best analysis of what it means. In the case of political acts, that doesn’t mean I necessarily politically support a given position or agree with it. In the case of the NDP propping up the LPC with the supply and confidence agreement, that was pure game theory. The NDP cannot form government outright; their best realistic strategic position is as the kingmaker to an LPC minority. That’s their natural and arguably only relevant partner. So, with what pieces were where on the chessboard at that time, it was the best pragmatic option for the NDP. Others were saying they should also force the election; that of course would be an absurd move- zero chance they come out of it better, particularly given the likelihood of a CPC victory at the time. So, I said that supporting the LPC was what made sense for the NDP to do; it was their only COA they gave them any chance at policy wins.

That’s not me being a fan of the NDP, or a fan of anyone in particular or just generally who props up an LPC government. I can just look at the board and imagine what move I’d consider in their shoes. Sometimes it can be really hard to tell what would gain or lose positional advantage… That particular case was just very obvious. For the same reason it was obviously in CPC’s favour to try to get an election in late 2024 before PM Trudeau was replaced, but they lacked the Parliamentary power to get it.

I hope this clarifies what positions I specifically am (and am not) taking or have taken, and why? “What makes sense for that guy” often isn’t “What I personally prefer”.

 

[lenaitch]

Sure, but once the priority becomes maxing revenue and profitability you're going to inevitably increase corporate and private sector influence over infrastructure (that used to be treated primarily as public service).

It will be ironic if we see Liberal supporters defend that considering how often Conservatives get accused of being too close to big business.

Again, only speaking about airports, I'm not sure how it would shake out operationally. The federal government still has a strong regulatory mandate over the industry. I am assuming this divestment, if it went through, would be attractive to institutional investors such as pension plans and insurance companies who favour low-risk steady returns from the rental income. I don't see operations shifting away from the current non-profit operating authorities. Could be wrong.

 

[HavokFour]

I hope this materializes into some serious build, build, build.

Canada has become most attractive market for infrastructure investors, global survey finds

Rise to top ranking suggests Ottawa’s push to boost the country’s profile is attracting worldwide attention

www.theglobeandmail.com

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Canada ranks ahead of the United States, Mexico, Germany and several European and Nordic countries in the latest semi-annual survey by the Global Infrastructure Investor Association (GIIA).

The country’s outlook “improved materially,” according to the survey results, signalling that investors are responding well to the federal government’s plan to launch major projects that can improve Canada’s economic growth and productivity over time.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Does this count as a win?

Agnico Eagle investing $14 billion in Northern Ontario mines

Ontario touts its fast permitting regime as a calling card to attract mining investment

www.sudbury.com

Agnico Eagle investing $14 billion in Northern Ontario mines​