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Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

PuckChaser said:
This is just way out for Carney to pretend to be Elbows Up (TM) and fulfill a cardinal Trudeau promise of canceling the F35. Its pure political theatre and pretty transparent for non-partisans.

If we order Gripens, we're going to be flying them for 30 years beyond when the US has retired its last Gen4 aircraft because they're not getting delivered until 2035 at the earliest if we have to open production lines. No amount of contortionist estimate situating will change that fact.
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SeaKingTacco said:
I do not see how that is remotely relevant to Canada.
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Haggis said:
Ukraine is in the middle of a special military operation. That bumps them up in the queue.
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Saab says Canada's air force could have Gripen fighter jets in as little as 3 years​

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Should Canada choose to fly the Swedish-built Gripen-E, the country’s air force could receive the first aircraft as quickly — or perhaps even sooner — than the long-awaited American-manufactured F-35, the CEO of Saab signalled Thursday.

Micael Johansson also said the defence giant is willing to set up not only an assembly factory in Canada, but a full-fledged manufacturing centre and a research and development hub.

He added, however, that the deal, which would include technology and intellectual property transfers, would be predicated on Canada deciding to purchase the fighter.
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Like I said.
 
'Low probability' the Carney government will hit any of its fiscal anchors, says budget watchdog
Ottawa’s fiscal watchdog says there’s a “low probability” that the Carney government will reach any of the three targets that it has referred to as its fiscal anchors, just months after establishing those key long-term benchmarks.
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Jason Jacques, the interim Parliamentary Budget Officer (PBO), told a parliamentary committee Thursday that there’s only a 7.5 per cent chance that the government, for example, will hit its target of reducing Canada’s deficit-to-gross domestic product (GDP) ratio over each of the next few years.
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Damn, they should have used guard rails instead of anchors.
 
Maxman1 said:
They told Brazil the same thing. How's that working out for them.
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They told brazil it would have Gripens in 3 years?

Edit: doing some research, it seems Brazil is having budget constraints which is leading to delays on their end.
 
RangerRay said:
As I said in another tread, I fail to see the logic in replacing Gen 4 fighters with Gen 4 fighters.
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I dunno.

Ask France, the UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Korea, the USA, Poland, Hungary, and all the others buying Rafales, F16s, Super hornets, Eurofighters, KF-21s and Gripens.
 
Saab is doing a great job setting the bait to a desperate country that’s currently running on emotions. Bravo to them.
 
RangerRay said:
As I said in another tread, I fail to see the logic in replacing Gen 4 fighters with Gen 4 fighters.
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Worn out 4th gen fighters with new 4th gen fighters.

Part of what has to be considered is what do we actually need out of our equipment. Do we need F35s or will a 4th gen fighter be more than sufficient for our purposes? Numbers matter, 66 fighters is such a small number and from what I can see the F35 is able to run about 55% of the time, which means 45% of the time it will be down for maintenance. With 66 fighters that means only 36 fighters operational at any given time. Is that enough planes for our operational needs?

The Gripen is also very cheap to run in comparison to the F35, which for a country like Canada matters. Some estimates are over 33k a hour for the F35 vs 8k per hour for the Gripen. That type of price difference is huge. I would rather more of a less technologically advanced equipment we can actually run with more quantity than less of a more technologically advanced equipment that we aren't going to use due to costs.
 
Altair said:
They told brazil it would have Gripens in 3 years?

Edit: doing some research, it seems Brazil is having budget constraints which is leading to delays on their end.
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They ordered it in 2014, and have had ten delivered since then, and that's with a domestic aerospace industry cooperating. Saab promised 14,000 jobs, about 200 have materialized. The costs keep rising because of the delays.
 
The Gripen does appeal to me, I value broad utility in things. If we bought 65+ F-35 and another 80+ Gripens, I’d be good with that. But Canada’s fleet keeps getting smaller. If we’re going to have a small fleet we should have the most capable aircraft available.

For the record, and i’v sId it before, due to Canada’s vast size and coastlines, we should have a top tier airforce and Navy. Im a fortress North America guy, but those two elements can also project with significance.
We’ll not likely ever deploy a division of troops again.
 
Maxman1 said:
They ordered it in 2014, and have had ten delivered since then, and that's with a domestic aerospace industry cooperating. Saab promised 14,000 jobs, about 200 have materialized. The costs keep rising because of the delays.
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Everything shows it's the Brazil side dropping the ball, not SAAB.
 
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