Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

To quote someone smarter than me “anyone who thinks that Trump is an aberration is an idiot”.

We need to work with that in mind. This will be the new normal for a very long time regardless of who will be in power next.

Agreed.

America has moved into the 7th party system, and these things tend to last a generation or two.

 

[Furniture]

Closer and friendlier ties with the US helps Canadian companies that depend on the US market and their population. Cutting ties harms Canadians more than Americans.

True, to a point. At this time Canada is too dependant on a single fickle trade partner. It's a single point of failure that is being used against us by an administration that likes to throw it's weight around like a schoolyard bully.

By diversifying our trade partners, we give Canadian businesses alternative opportunities to trade with other nations, as well as America.

In the case of Chinese EVs, it's a direct shot across the bow to the US auto manufacturers that are pulling work/production out of Canada at the behest of the American administration. By opening the door to companies like BDY we are showing those companies that actions have repercussions. Essentially, if America doesn't want us to make cars here, we will buy them elsewhere...

Canadians on places like Reddit and Twitter who argued they need to travel to the US for lower priced food items because they were poor got accused of treason and not being Canadian.

People being assholes on Twitter and Reddit isn't new, and definitely isn't limited to this topic. The more obnoxious and combattive your argument, the more attention it gets.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I always wondered why "some" here seem more

So....Canadians don't visit the USA. American companies, in their board rooms look at this and decide not to buy Canadian goods?

Do employees of Canadian companies visit the US in person for:

• Sales and client meetings
• Supply chain coordination
• Trade shows and conferences
• Subsidiaries and offices; and
• Professional services

?

 

[Altair]

Do employees of Canadian companies visit the US in person for:

• Sales and client meetings
• Supply chain coordination
• Trade shows and conferences
• Subsidiaries and offices; and
• Professional services

?

What's stopping them from going?

My comment is directed at those who visit the USA for leisure, not business.

 

[Jarnhamar]

People being assholes on Twitter and Reddit isn't new, and definitely isn't limited to this topic. The more obnoxious and combattive your argument, the more attention it gets.

Yup. It's a typical mentality similar to people lamenting about capitalism from their $2949.00 IPhones and $1975 Canada Goose jackets.

 

[RangerRay]

I'll take Trump anyday over CCP.

I’ll take neither. With either, we’re going to get hooped with no lube.

Lots of other countries we should be making deals with.

Nearly all automakers spy on car owners in the USA, study finds

Consumer Reports has published a rather worrying report shedding light on the ways car companies track customers and their lives.

www.formacar.com

One Tech Tip: Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

Modern cars are collecting more data than ever, raising privacy concerns. The Mozilla Foundation says cars are the worst product category for privacy.

apnews.com

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/cars-spying-data-1.7433478

It’s certainly a thing and they all do it. The fact that Nissan knows everything about my car without me even having to go in is disconcerting but sadly a reality.

Those companies want my information to sell me stuff. State capitalist companies, like those in the PRC, will have more nefarious uses for my information.

 

[brihard]

but "our" manufacturers have become extremely complacent and reliant on a closed market

There’s truth to this.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Do employees of Canadian companies visit the US in person for:

• Sales and client meetings
• Supply chain coordination
• Trade shows and conferences
• Subsidiaries and offices; and
• Professional services

?

I'm going down for tourism/leisure. The NE Free Jacks are playing the Atlantic Privateers in an exhibition Rugby match and our new OBs club, The Ancient Mariners is playing the Boston Irish Wolf Hounds before hand.

Were playing at veterans stadium in Quincy. It will be pretty fun. Not to mention a few nights on the lamb in Boston! Look out Southie!

 

[Altair]

I’ll take neither. With either, we’re going to get hooped with no lube.

Lots of other countries we should be making deals with.



Those companies want my information to sell me stuff. State capitalist companies, like those in the PRC, will have more nefarious uses for my information.

Examples?

 

[QV]

To quote someone smarter than me “anyone who thinks that Trump is an aberration is an idiot”.

We need to work with that in mind. This will be the new normal for a very long time regardless of who will be in power next.

The difference right now is Trump can offend every Canadian's sensibilities with ease... the next guy probably won't. The outcomes much the same.

Does Canada want to be in the fold of the US or China? Which provides the overall best benefit? A protectionist USA is still the far better option than the CCP.

 

[Jarnhamar]

My comment is directed at those who visit the USA for leisure, not business.

Oh, that's what you really meant. You weren't very clear when you simply said:
"It's good that cross border trips to the USA from Canada continue to plummet then."

Also:
"And how are canadian companies that depend on the US effected by people not travelling to the USA?"

 

[RangerRay]

i wont be buying one either but "our" manufacturers business sector have become extremely complacent and reliant on a closed market

FTFY

 

[Furniture]

Examples?

Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, India, etc., and that's just in the Indo-Pacific.

When you look toward the EU, and more broadly Europe there are plenty more nations.

China makes some sense in that we are selling things to them, but we need to be very careful about what we buy from them.

 

[Altair]

Oh, that's what you really meant. You weren't very clear when you simply said:
"It's good that cross border trips to the USA from Canada continue to plummet then."

Also:
"And how are canadian companies that depend on the US effected by people not travelling to the USA?"

My brother in christ, I made that comment in regards to limitations being put in place to prevent Chinese EVs owned by Canadians crossing into the USA.

How many damn businesses do you think would be crossing into the USA for a business meeting in a chinese EV?

For the love of all that is holy...

 

[Quirky]

Interesting poll.

I am sharing it because I find it interesting, with the full respect of the decision made here

This means that the Windsor-Quebec corridor shouldn't expect too much help from the western provinces.

 

[Remius]

The difference right now is Trump can offend every Canadian's sensibilities with ease... the next guy probably won't. The outcomes much the same.

The next guy will not be repairing much in terms of alignments and trade. Republican (Maga) or Dem.

Does Canada want to be in the fold of the US or China? Which provides the overall best benefit? A protectionist USA is still the far better option than the CCP.

Canada needs to continue to diversify and be pragmatic. A protectionist USA seeking to end our economic advantages and capacity is not a good option at all. And will cause far more damage to us than China ever could.

We can remain strategically aligned on some things and while pursuing pragmatic trade relationships with others,

 

[Jarnhamar]

I'm going down for tourism/leisure. The NE Free Jacks are playing the Atlantic Privateers in an exhibition Rugby match and our new OBs club, The Ancient Mariners is playing the Boston Irish Wolf Hounds before hand.

Were playing at veterans stadium in Quincy. It will be pretty fun. Not to mention a few nights on the lamb in Boston! Look out Southie!

Double standard.

When bums like me bitch about the Prime Minister vacationing in the US others will defend it and say they're allowed to go on vacation anywhere they want! They're people too! - and that's true.

Many of the same people will accuse people like you of being a traitor and sell out for going there on a vacation - how dare you?

 

[Altair]

Japan, Korea, Indonesia*, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, India, etc., and that's just in the Indo-Pacific.

When you look toward the EU, and more broadly Europe there are plenty more nations.

China makes some sense in that we are selling things to them, but we need to be very careful about what we buy from them.

Between CPTPP and CETA, all of those are covered.

So...Korea and India is all that is left? Slim pickings, no?

*Canada is in the process of finalizing a trade deal with Indonesia, my mistake.

 

[Altair]

This means that the Windsor-Quebec corridor shouldn't expect too much help from the western provinces.

I trust there are Liberals and Dippers in those provinces.

 

[Furniture]

Between CPTPP and CETA, all of those are covered.

So...Korea and India is all that is left? Slim pickings, no?

Not really... The world's most populous country hardly seems like "slim pickings", and Korea is an advanced manufacturing nation, with lots to off Canada, both in the civilian and defence sectors.

There are non-EU European nations we could be looking to expand trade relations with as well.