Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

Should we buy our fighter jets based on what the population wants?

Espeically when 44% of said population was somehow unaware the government was releasing a budget?

Because if you ignore the public you end up like Trudeau or Poilievre.

Again, Carney didn't need to make a deal with China.

But there was a business case and it's what the population wanted.

Lo and behold, he did exactly that.

Carney has done a decent job of doing what the voters in polls say they want, and 72 percent of the public wanting the Gripen is a hard number to ignore

 

[Altair]

i think its fair to say that this term is qualifiably different from the first term yes.
I think PMMC goes as slow as hes possible on these things to buy as much time as he can. Im going to guess that we need to put an F35 order in at some point this year to continue some sort of sensible roll out

72 percent of the public want some form of Gripen purchase.

13 percent want just the F35.

Lets see what Carney does here, but I think he follows the public. Especially if it's a easy win in Quebec

 

[Jarnhamar]

Because if you ignore the public you end up like Trudeau or Poilievre.

Again, Carney didn't need to make a deal with China.

But there was a business cases and it's what the population wanted.

Lo and behold, he did exactly that.

Carney has done a decent job of doing what the voters in polls say they want, and 72 percent of the public wanting the Gripen is a hard number to ignore

Setting up online polling websites to dictate our defence procurement decisions is a great idea. Cuts out the middle man. It's true democracy when you think of it.

Pretty clever of Saab not to mention just how many aircraft we would need to.fulfill their 10'000 job promise. 72 Gripens and 6 GlobalEyes, easy peasy.
I'm not sure how Brazil got away with 10'000 jobs for only 36 Gripens. They must work harder than us?

 

[MilEME09]

Because if you ignore the public you end up like Trudeau or Poilievre.

Again, Carney didn't need to make a deal with China.

But there was a business case and it's what the population wanted.

Lo and behold, he did exactly that.

Carney has done a decent job of doing what the voters in polls say they want, and 72 percent of the public wanting the Gripen is a hard number to ignore

America seems to be the only one Carney cant get a deal from, and he has stated he wont sign a deal thats not in our interest. Tells me america is trying to work us over rather then give us a fair deal.

 

[CBH99]

QV is trying to normalize this.

"Oh, the USA has tried to acquire Greenland for a long time, this is normal"

No, it's not. The US has tried to acquire Greenland, and then when politely told that the Danes and Greenlanders were not interested, moved on.

Trump is escalating, which is NOT normal and not trolling.

Trolling is saying, man, Greenland would look good with the stars and stripes. Trolling is not, give me Greenland or else I'll take it, or I'll move to cripple your economy if you resist. That's coercion.

That all said, coming from a rapist, I'm not surprised he doesn't know how to take no for an answer.

Was he trying to normalize it though?

Or was he simply stating a general fact?



(Btw if anybody wants to know and doesn't feel like Googling it, the US first inquired about/offered to buy Greenland as far back as 1867...)

 

[Jarnhamar]

America seems to be the only one Carney cant get a deal from, and he has stated he wont sign a deal thats not in our interest. Tells me america is trying to work us over rather then give us a fair deal.

That's right. Carney's trade deal trip to the UK was really just a recce.

 

[Altair]

Setting up online polling websites to dictate our defence procurement decisions is a great idea. Cuts out the middle man. It's true democracy when you think of it.

Pretty clever of Saab not to mention just how many aircraft we would need to.fulfill their 10'000 job promise. 72 Gripens and 6 GlobalEyes, easy peasy.
I'm not sure how Brazil got away with 10'000 jobs for only 36 Gripens. They must work harder than us?

Ekos is a pretty reputable polling firm.

And again, I'll circle back. The majority of people here were dead agaisnt more trade with China. The public was more on board with trade with China.

Carney decided to trade more with China.

And trade with China was even less popular than the Gripen.

So what does Carney do? Side with those in the military or army.ca? Or go where 72 percent of the population is?

May be best to prepare yourself if you consider his track record.

 

[Altair]

Was he trying to normalize it though?

Or was he simply stating a general fact?



(Btw if anybody wants to know and doesn't feel like Googling it, the US first inquired about/offered to buy Greenland as far back as 1867...)

Please tell me the last time the USA refused to take military action off the table to acquire Greenland or put tariffs on allies for not helping the USA to acquire Greenland.

I'll wait.

 

[Altair]

America seems to be the only one Carney cant get a deal from, and he has stated he wont sign a deal thats not in our interest. Tells me america is trying to work us over rather then give us a fair deal.

Trump hasn't signed a ratified deal with anyone. Even the EU deal, which was very unlikely to pass the EU parliament is all but dead today. The UK deal just got tariffs tacked on to it

The USA is absolutely not interested in any deal with anyone. They are interested in extortion.

 

[suffolkowner]

Ekos is a pretty reputable polling firm.

And again, I'll circle back. The majority of people here were dead agaisnt more trade with China. The public was more on board with trade with China.

Carney decided to trade more with China.

And trade with China was even less popular than the Gripen.

So what does Carney do? Side with those in the military or army.ca? Or go where 72 percent of the population is?

May be best to prepare yourself if you consider his track record.

i think the alignment is a coincidence

 

[MilEME09]

Ekos is a pretty reputable polling firm.

And again, I'll circle back. The majority of people here were dead agaisnt more trade with China. The public was more on board with trade with China.

Carney decided to trade more with China.

And trade with China was even less popular than the Gripen.

So what does Carney do? Side with those in the military or army.ca? Or go where 72 percent of the population is?

May be best to prepare yourself if you consider his track record.

However people did want something done about canola tariffs. That required trade with china

 

[Altair]

i think the alignment is a coincidence

Could be. Or could be Carney follows the mood of the public

Carbon tax unpopular.

Gone.

Trade with China popular.

Done

Feminist PM doctrine unpopular.

Gone

Public wanting a pipeline to the coast.

MOU done.

I would be surprised if Carney is seeing 72 percent of the public wanting the Gripen in some form and just going...nah, I'm siding with that juicy 13 percent.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Ekos is a pretty reputable polling firm.

And again, I'll circle back. The majority of people here were dead agaisnt more trade with China. The public was more on board with trade with China.

Carney decided to trade more with China.

And trade with China was even less popular than the Gripen.

So what does Carney do? Side with those in the military or army.ca? Or go where 72 percent of the population is?

May be best to prepare yourself if you consider his track record.

The part of me whose life would be on the line in a warzone doesn't give a shit what a bunch of facebook and reddit experts across Canada want for military equipment.

The "I pay your salary, those are my tax dollars!" part of says let the voters decide. If they want submarines made by ocean gate then full send.

 

[suffolkowner]

Could be. Or could be Carney follows the mood of the public

Carbon tax unpopular.

Gone.

Trade with China popular.

Done

Feminist PM doctrine unpopular.

Gone

Public wanting a pipeline to the coast.

MOU done.

I would be surprised if Carney is seeing 72 percent of the public wanting the Gripen in some form and just going...nah, I'm siding with that juicy 13 percent.

i think thats more pragmatic than dancing to the piper

 

[Altair]

The part of me whose life would be on the line in a warzone doesn't give a shit what a bunch of facebook and reddit experts across Canada want for military equipment.

The "I pay your salary, those are my tax dollars!" part of says let the voters decide. If they want submarines made by ocean gate then full send.

Go with the voters.

Carney probably will, and he's PM so he's doing something right.

 

[Altair]

i think thats more pragmatic than dancing to the piper

So you think Carney goes with the 13 percent wanting just the F35 and ignores 72 percent wanting some form of Gripen purchase?

Okay.

 

[CBH99]

America seems to be the only one Carney cant get a deal from, and he has stated he wont sign a deal thats not in our interest. Tells me america is trying to work us over rather then give us a fair deal.

Ofcourse he's going to say he won't sign a deal that is not in our interests...he's the PM for crying out loud lol

He's SUPPOSED to say stuff like that. We pay him a metric shit ton of money to say stuff like that!

He'd be a bad Prime Minister if he said anything BUT that!



Him saying he won't sign a deal that isn't in our interest doesn't necessarily mean America isn't trying to offer us a fair deal...

Although I doubt they are. Why would they??

...

The whole nature of negotiations is that each side starts off with some requests/wants that seem unfair or unrealistic to the other, and in theory both sides agree to something reasonably fair somewhere in the middle.

We shouldn't expect them to offer us fair deal. Being extremely close allies & friends for more than a century should afford us to not be presented with unreasonable nonsense though...



Just my 1 cent

 

[Altair]

Ofcourse he's going to say he won't sign a deal that is not in our interests...he's the PM for crying out loud lol

He's SUPPOSED to say stuff like that. We pay him a metric shit ton of money to say stuff like that!

He'd be a bad Prime Minister if he said anything BUT that!



Him saying he won't sign a deal that isn't in our interest doesn't necessarily mean America isn't trying to offer us a fair deal...

Although I doubt they are. Why would they??

...

The whole nature of negotiations is that each side starts off with some requests/wants that seem unfair or unrealistic to the other, and in theory both sides agree to something reasonably fair somewhere in the middle.

We shouldn't expect them to offer us fair deal. Being extremely close allies & friends for more than a century should afford us to not be presented with unreasonable nonsense though...



Just my 1 cent

Carney goes to Europe. He gets deals done.

Carney goes to the middle east. He gets deals done.

Carney goes to China. He gets deals done.

Why is negotiations easier with everyone else?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Go with the voters.

An Airforce that emulates Brazil, Czech Republic, Hungary, South Africa, and Thailand is way better than emulating weak countries like the US, UK, Japan, and Australia.

 

[Altair]

An Airforce that emulates Brazil, Czech Republic, Hungary, South Africa, and Thailand is way better than emulating weak countries like the US, UK, Japan, and Australia.

The UK has a mixed fleet. So does the USA.

Bad example.