Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[MilEME09]

I hope the Koreans build a better sub than they do a vehicle.

My Kia had one of the best safety ratings, havent heard any issues about their armoured vehicles.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I hope the Koreans build a better sub than they do a vehicle.

Their vehicle quality has gone up substantially in recent years.

At this point I don't see any way for the Germans to counter. They're being left in the dust, quite literally.

I tend to prefer sooner than later. Realistically the Koreans offer much more than the Germans can faster. Their industry is struggling to meet domestic/European demand let alone adding us. The Koreans aren’t.

I like the Poland method personally. Buy what is needed today. Instant modern divisions with quick turnaround.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Their vehicle quality has gone up substantially in recent years.

That has been true for over five years now.....

JD Power Says Korean Cars Beat US and Europe in Quality

New car owners report fewer problems than in past years. But infotainment systems are proving troublesome.

www.wired.com

 

[Quirky]

That has been true for over five years now.....

JD Power Says Korean Cars Beat US and Europe in Quality

New car owners report fewer problems than in past years. But infotainment systems are proving troublesome.

www.wired.com

JDPower is literal trash and that article is from 2019. I still wouldn’t put my worst enemy in a Hyundai or Kia, those things just feel cheap, because they are cheap.

Good luck with those subs though, they’ll likely be fine. Those things aren’t getting anywhere near the same attention as fighter jets. Odd there isn’t a national poll asking citizens which one we should buy.

 

[suffolkowner]

JDPower is literal trash and that article is from 2019. I still wouldn’t put my worst enemy in a Hyundai or Kia, those things just feel cheap, because they are cheap.

Good luck with those subs though, they’ll likely be fine. Those things aren’t getting anywhere near the same attention as fighter jets. Odd there isn’t a national poll asking citizens which one we should buy.

just wait until we buy KF-21's

 

[Retired AF Guy]

JDPower is literal trash and that article is from 2019. I still wouldn’t put my worst enemy in a Hyundai or Kia, those things just feel cheap, because they are cheap.

Lets see how Consumer Reports rate Kia and Hyundai:

Consumer Reports (CR) generally ranks Hyundai and Kia higher in reliability and overall value compared to most North American automakers (Ford, GM, Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep), placing them in the upper-middle tier of brands. While Hyundai and Kia often achieve top-10, above-average reliability scores in recent surveys, their, electric vehicle, (EV) models, like the EV6 and EV9, have shown lower reliability due to powertrain issues, with, some models scoring as low as 24-25.
Key takeaways:

• Ranking: In 2026 reports, Hyundai has appeared in the top 10 brands, often alongside, Lincoln (the highest-ranked domestic) and ahead of, Tesla, Chevrolet, Ford, and Jeep.
• Vs. North American Brands: Hyundai/Kia generally outperform Detroit's "Big Three" in predicted reliability, with, Jeep, Chrysler, and Dodge frequently appearing in the bottom five, according to Consumer Reports.
• Strengths & Weaknesses: While traditional, hybrid vehicles from Hyundai/Kia rank high for reliability, their, electric vehicle and, {Link: plug-in hybrid models have faced, lower, , {Link: reliability scores for, infotainment, , {Link: or power equipment issues.
• Specific Models: The 2026 Kia Carnival Hybrid achieved a high reliability score of 72, far exceeding competitors, according to data published in Driving.ca.

In summary, Consumer Reports views Hyundai/Kia as more reliable than most American brands, although they face stiff competition from Asian manufacturers like Subaru, Mazda, and Toyota, and their specific electric models have lagged in reliability.

 

[Maxman1]

I hope the Koreans build a better sub than they do a vehicle.

They've come a long way from the Hyundai Pony.

 

[Quirky]

just wait until we buy KF-21's

There should be a public poll to decide these weapon purchases, it only makes sense since it’s tax payer dollars. Right? The KF-21 is a fine aircraft, even if it’s a temu F-22 it’ll likely serve us just fine.

 

[suffolkowner]

There should be a public poll to decide these weapon purchases, it only makes sense since it’s tax payer dollars. Right? The KF-21 is a fine aircraft, even if it’s a temu F-22 it’ll likely serve us just fine.

the Swiss way

 

[Jarnhamar]

There should be a public poll to decide these weapon purchases, it only makes sense since it’s tax payer dollars. Right? The KF-21 is a fine aircraft, even if it’s a temu F-22 it’ll likely serve us just fine.

It has 2 engineers too. I remember that was a big issue with the F35.

 

[RangerRay]

They've come a long way from the Hyundai Pony.

I bought a 1990 Hyundai Excel in uni (4 speed manual, passenger side rear view mirror optional). I thought I would be lucky if it lasted a year. It lasted all 4 years and it was a great little car.

More recently, my wife bought a Kia and it’s been great.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I hope the Koreans build a better sub than they do a vehicle.

Imagine a Stellantis (Dodge) built sub... Oof... I don't know if subs have transmissions but even if they don't a Stellantis built sub will drop a transmission.

JDPower is literal trash and that article is from 2019. I still wouldn’t put my worst enemy in a Hyundai or Kia, those things just feel cheap, because they are cheap.

Good luck with those subs though, they’ll likely be fine. Those things aren’t getting anywhere near the same attention as fighter jets. Odd there isn’t a national poll asking citizens which one we should buy.

The silent service

 

[PuckChaser]

My Kia had one of the best safety ratings, havent heard any issues about their armoured vehicles.

Loved my Hyundai. Wouldn't have any issue buying Korean mil vehicles.

 

[lenaitch]

Loved my Hyundai. Wouldn't have any issue buying Korean mil vehicles.

We've had three (including a Pony back in the day!) Few problems with any of them. The broad brush of Korean = bad is a repeat of the sentiment of Japanese vehicles back in the 1970s. North American hubris.

There should be a public poll to decide these weapon purchases, it only makes sense since it’s tax payer dollars. Right? The KF-21 is a fine aircraft, even if it’s a temu F-22 it’ll likely serve us just fine.

And what would be the point of that be, other than to drive emotion and marketing? Is the public suddenly familiar with submarine or aircraft technology? The federal government buys lots of stuff with taxpayer dollars; frankly, everything it does is with taxpayer dollars. Why don't we poll what toilet paper and police cars they buy?

 

[Quirky]

And what would be the point of that be, other than to drive emotion and marketing? Is the public suddenly familiar with submarine or aircraft technology? The federal government buys lots of stuff with taxpayer dollars; frankly, everything it does is with taxpayer dollars. Why don't we poll what toilet paper and police cars they buy?

You're right, it's an idiotic process but here we are.

Canadians Favour Gripen over F-35

[Ottawa – December 17, 2025] As the debate over Canada’s next-generation fighter jet continues, Canadians are leaning decisively away from an all-F-35 future.

www.ekospolitics.com

 

[HavokFour]

I still maintain that Carney and the LPC aren't going to risk it on a spring election.

Federal Tracker: Liberals Widen Lead to 8, 42% to 34%

January 26 (Toronto, ON) – A new Liaison Strategies national survey finds the Liberals continuing to pull away from the Conservatives, widening their lead to eight points. Among decided and leaning voters, the Liberals lead with 42% to the Conservatives' 34%, with the NDP at 10% and the Bloc...

press.liaisonstrategies.ca

Abacus for Jan 22-27, 2026

Vote Intention
Liberal: 43%
Conservative: 39%

Leader Impressions
Carney: +23
Poilievre: -6

Government Approval
Approve: 54%
Disapprove: 31%

New Abacus Poll: Prime Minister Carney’s Standing Improves as Liberals Strengthen Ahead of Conservative Convention - Abacus Data

A new Abacus Data poll finds Mark Carney’s approval at a record high as Liberal support strengthens ahead of the Conservative convention.

abacusdata.ca

Interestingly one of the few demographics that Poilievre has a positive impression (30 to 44), Carney is practically keeping pace (9% vs 10%). AB, MB and SK are doing a ton of heavy lifting for him. Liberals also appear to have largely recovered for the 18-29 range.

 

[MilEME09]

And the greatest gift the CPC has ever given the liberals...

Poilievre survives leadership review with 87% support after rousing campaign-style speech

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has handily survived the biggest test of his leadership since he took the helm of the party in September 2022.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Good2Golf]

I'm firmly team Gripen.

Team ITAR did you say?

Imagine…”DSCA has announced that Congress has not approved Canada’s request to procure a fleet of ITAR-controlled Saab JA-39 fighter jets.”

And this means the only deal he’s interested in with us, the only one he sees as a ‘win’, is where he walks away with more and we walk away with less, rather than one where we trade more freely, innovate more freely, and we each make the most of our respective advantages.

Dmitri Peskov is pleased with such a collaborative description.

Interestingly one of the few demographics that Poilievre has a positive impression (30 to 44), Carney is practically keeping pace (9% vs 10%). AB, MB and SK are doing a ton of heavy lifting for him. Liberals also appear to have largely recovered for the 18-29 range.

Still time to give them something to think about at the next CPC policy conference when limited abortion legislation via private member bills makes the list of policies to discuss.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Only one data point, but survey says: trade over human rights OK as priority dealing with China (for first time since tracking).

Carney China Trade Deal

Carney China Trade Deal focuses on EV imports and canola tariffs as Canada and China reset trade ties in a major new agreement.

angusreid.org

Whatever could have caused that start of a shift late last year?

 

[The Bread Guy]

On Team Blue, Nanos has an interesting short- and long-term tracking of the party's fortunes over different leaders since Harper available (released before the leadership ratification vote). Full report attached, but here's some highlights ....


... as well as the loooooooong term party popularity tracking since Harper & Co.: