Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[The Bread Guy]

In France they look down on you if you speak Québécois French.

My better half has been lucky here. Her Quebecois French seems to be accepted as a quaint way-older version of MetroFrench. Like when I speak the 60-year-old version of Italian in my parents’ home town, but 400 or so years old with her French.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

In France they look down on you as inferior. France isn't over the renaissance when French was the language of leadership and class...

We keep hearing that, but it's not quite true. That is the experience of people who visit mostly Paris, because that is true of Parisians. In fact, Parisians look down on the other French people, particularly the Breton, Normand and Provencal, as not quite French speakers.

Quebecois are mostly descendants from Breton and Normand and one of the traits of the way they express themselves that we kept (or inherited) is that we are more guarded, and thus less direct, in expressing ourselves. Parisians are blunt and to the point (and a friend of mine once said that you must understand that, without saying it out loud, at the end of every sentence spoken to you by a Parisian are the word "you idiot").

So, for instance, a Parisian will go into a Cigarette shop and say "a pack of Gitane" and will make his purchase. The Quebecois (or Normand) will go in and say "Hello, do you have any Gitanes" to order some. And he will be answered by the Parisian: "Of Course, we are a tobacco store! (you idiot)".

 

[Czech_pivo]

We keep hearing that, but it's not quite true. That is the experience of people who visit mostly Paris, because that is true of Parisians. In fact, Parisians look down on the other French people, particularly the Breton, Normand and Provencal, as not quite French speakers.

Quebecois are mostly descendants from Breton and Normand and one of the traits of the way they express themselves that we kept (or inherited) is that we are more guarded, and thus less direct, in expressing ourselves. Parisians are blunt and to the point (and a friend of mine once said that you must understand that, without saying it out loud, at the end of every sentence spoken to you by a Parisian are the word "you idiot").

So, for instance, a Parisian will go into a Cigarette shop and say "a pack of Gitane" and will make his purchase. The Quebecois (or Normand) will go in and say "Hello, do you have any Gitanes" to order some. And he will be answered by the Parisian: "Of Course, we are a tobacco store! (you idiot)".

There have been times when the words 'Bon matin' have come out of mouth in France instead of Bonjour when walking into a store in a village or town and that has lead to some curious looks and a few small conversations. But its the same level curiosity when I order a 'pain au chocolat' when I'm in the Bordeaux/Arcachon area instead of a 'Chocolatine' at the boulangerie or patisserie. It's 'hey buddy, here we call it a Chocolatine NOT a pain au chocolat.

 

[The Bread Guy]

… its the same level curiosity when I order a 'pain au chocolat' when I'm in the Bordeaux/Arcachon area instead of a 'Chocolatine' at the boulangerie or patisserie. It's 'hey buddy, here we call it a Chocolatine NOT a pain au chocolat.

Just like there being a real line dividing “butter Italy” and “olive oil Italy,” or potato Europe from tomato Europe, I’ve learned there is a “pain au chocolat/chocolatine“ line in France

 

[Czech_pivo]

Just like there being a real line dividing “butter Italy” and “olive oil Italy,” or potato Europe from tomato Europe, I’ve learned there is a “pain au chocolat/chocolatine“ line in France

Yes and I'm curious to see what Montpellier and Beziers will be! The area from Montpellier to Bezier to Perpignan to the Spanish border is the last large area of France that I've not been so I'm curious to see if they are chocolatine or pain au chocolat. I'm really hoping that I can find my most favourite French pastry somewhere in the area. Its called a 'Sacristain' and its typically found only around Saint-Remy-de-Provence/Vaucluse area.

 

[HavokFour]

I think this is worth mentioning. Javani very recently removed all mention of being a CPC member from his X.

Maybe some news soon, possibly Monday?

https://x.com/jamiljivani

 

[YZT580]

In France Paris they look down on you if you speak Québécois French.

bit of a change. We found that the French were generally hospitable except for those from Paris and they even looked down their noses at someone from Dijon

 

[RangerRay]

I think this is worth mentioning. Javani very recently removed all mention of being a CPC member from his X.

Maybe some news soon, possibly Monday?

https://x.com/jamiljivani

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Going to cross the floor to the Liberals?

 

[PrairieFella]

Im with you, its not the 18th century anymore, we have the technology for more representative voting system.

 

[PrairieFella]

thanks for the link. Whether I agree or not it is good to look at someone else's take but only if you take the time to investigate each point rather than saying yay or nah.

Surely whoever is maintaining this list is objective and wont take every possible thing and frame it as the absolute worst case scenario.

A "policy theft" segment is unhinged and demonstrates all I need to see about their intellectual honesty.

 

[HavokFour]

Save the date. I think it's safe to say we will probably not be heading back to the polls for an early spring election now.

Carney calls byelections in Quebec riding of Terrebonne, 2 Toronto ridings​

 

[Czech_pivo]

Going to cross the floor to the Liberals?

The first sitting PPC MP?

 

[PrairieFella]

Thanks. As you say, make sure to check out any points worth considering. There is nothing wrong with exposing one of the worst Canadian governments in history. I posted it in case anyone was interested. Just an FYI.

What could possibly make this current parliament one of the worst ever? You could make an argument for the 43rd certainly being a lowpoint compared to other parliaments but to call the 45th the worst is disingenuous or ignorant of the goings-on in Ottawa.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Save the date. I think it's safe to say we will probably not be heading back to the polls for an early spring election now.

Carney calls byelections in Quebec riding of Terrebonne, 2 Toronto ridings​

That's 2 weeks after the NDP Leadership vote.

I don't think a Fed election will be called until after CUSMA talks wrap up, so maybe in the mid Oct time period.

 

[brihard]

I think this is worth mentioning. Javani very recently removed all mention of being a CPC member from his X.

Maybe some news soon, possibly Monday?

https://x.com/jamiljivani

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Out of curiosity I checked Internet Archive back as far as November, no obvious CPC branding in his website that far back other than colour scheme.

I would be surprised to see him break with the party. There’s nowhere else for him to go that would improve his fortunes. He’s not gonna go LPC, and the PPC would be a joke if they were relevant enough to even still be thought of. His realistic best bet is some leadership role within one of the CPC factions and fight it out for prominence post-Pierre. Not that that’s a great spot to be in either… But he won’t keep that MP pay and pension under any other branding.

 

[Remius]

Out of curiosity I checked Internet Archive back as far as November, no obvious CPC branding in his website that far back other than colour scheme.

I would be surprised to see him break with the party. There’s nowhere else for him to go that would improve his fortunes. He’s not gonna go LPC, and the PPC would be a joke if they were relevant enough to even still be thought of. His realistic best bet is some leadership role within one of the CPC factions and fight it out for prominence post-Pierre. Not that that’s a great spot to be in either… But he won’t keep that MP pay and pension under any other branding.

I also looked at a few LPC and CPC Twitter accounts and none have any real branding beyond some links and titles. I sup spect official MP Twitter handles have to all follow similar rules as dictated by parliament.

I wouldn’t read too much into it either.

 

[Blackadder1916]

In France they look down on you if you speak Québécois French.

Years ago, a friend (and fellow Newfoundlander) related a story about when he was a Med A with the Van Doos in Germany. They were in France on the French Commando Course and one evening while they were off the camp and in town at a restaurant the waitress had to keep asking the Van Doos to repeat their orders because she couldn't understand them. Eventually, my friend (whose French language skills were acquired on the year long French course before being posted to the bn) had to translate his comrades' Joual into something the waitress understood.

And in a reversal of understanding dialects, another friend met and married a French girl while he was posted to Lahr. She was from a village across the Rhine, North of Strasbourg. Though he wasn't French Canadian he was comfortable speaking French. Their wedding was in her home village and I attended as one of his witnesses (needed for the civil marriage by the mayor the evening before the church wedding). He did warn me that her family might be difficult to understand when I went to the family gathering before we went to city hall. They spoke an Alsatian dialect at home. While not fluent in French, I do get by, but by combining my limited German I was able to understand about a quarter of what they were saying.

 

[Remius]

Years ago, a friend (and fellow Newfoundlander) related a story about when he was a Med A with the Van Doos in Germany. They were in France on the French Commando Course and one evening while they were off the camp and in town at a restaurant the waitress had to keep asking the Van Doos to repeat their orders because she couldn't understand them. Eventually, my friend (whose French language skills were acquired on the year long French course before being posted to the bn) had to translate his comrades' Joual into something the waitress understood.

And in a reversal of understanding dialects, another friend met and married a French girl while he was posted to Lahr. She was from a village across the Rhine, North of Strasbourg. Though he wasn't French Canadian he was comfortable speaking French. Their wedding was in her home village and I attended as one of his witnesses (needed for the civil marriage by the mayor the evening before the church wedding). He did warn me that her family might be difficult to understand when I went to the family gathering before we went to city hall. They spoke an Alsatian dialect at home. While not fluent in French, I do get by, but by combining my limited German I was able to understand about a quarter of what they were saying.

There are a few French communities in northern France and along the Normandy coast where you would think you were in Lac St-Jean or any other more isolated Quebec village.

 

[brihard]

My wife is France-French; born there to immigrant parents, who then left and raised her in Canada. Francophone family at home, but being out in BC, little opportunity to ‘Canadianize’ her French.

When we last visited France circa 2018 or so, I was able to get by…. Sensed some of the mild scorn in Paris, but none at all when we went south to Provence.

No reason the French would be any more culturally monolithic than Canadians.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Going to cross the floor to the Liberals?

He's talked to his family and constituents and they are asking for this