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[Nvlgzr]

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Sounds like he is now a punching bag, and I get the feeling his days might be numbered with the CPC

“Liberal politicians like Mark Carney and Doug Ford”, last time I checked Doug is Conservative . Some might even call him maple maga.

 

[Altair]

“Liberal politicians like Mark Carney and Doug Ford”, last time I checked Doug is Conservative . Some might even call him maple maga.

To the Reform leaning CPC, a progressive conservative might as well be a Liberal.

Which, unfortunately for their insults, is really bad in terms of electoral math. A good portion of the CPC is progressive conservative.

 

[RangerRay]

“Liberal politicians like Mark Carney and Doug Ford”, last time I checked Doug is Conservative . Some might even call him maple maga.

Yeah, picking fights with the most successful Conservative Party in the country, which also happens to be in the most populous province, strikes me as monumentally stupid.

 

[Altair]

Opinion: What is Jamil Jivani’s deal?

The Ontario MP is not just an embarrassment to his party, he’s increasingly a menace to the country

www.theglobeandmail.com

In another world, say, one in which Stephen Harper was leader of the Conservatives and not the wounded duck that is Mr. Poilievre, Mr. Jivani would have long ago been handed his hat and told to take a hike. Not only is he an embarrassment to his party, he is increasingly a menace to the country.

He has become an unapologetic shill for a corrupt and vulgar U.S. administration intent on owning this country – a walking billboard for the benign, unseemly acquiescence it demands from Canada and the rest of the world.

Mr. Jivani suggests the dollar-for-dollar trade threat of Mr. Carney’s is an overreaction. Does he not recall his party’s own platform in last year’s election? The Conservatives ran on imposing dollar-for-dollar retaliatory tariffs “maximizing impact” on American companies.

He may think that what he’s saying is smart and calculated to appeal to that pro-MAGA wing of his party that he will need if he hopes to ascend to its leadership one day, which is clearly his ambition.
But even if he does one day supplant Mr. Poilievre, he will never lead his party to victory. Canadians will never forget which side he was on when the country faced its greatest crisis in decades.
And it wasn’t Canada’s.

I wish the CPC the best of luck if the membership select Mr Jivani as their next leader after Poilievre.

But I do not put it past their membership to do that.

I said during Trudeau's first term that the worst thing the CPC could do was put an attack dog like PP as their leader, and here we are.

 

[HavokFour]

Opinion piece from the G&M today.

Opinion: What is Jamil Jivani’s deal?

The Ontario MP is not just an embarrassment to his party, he’s increasingly a menace to the country

www.theglobeandmail.com

Archive

EDIT: Well that was some timing @Altair.

 

[Altair]

Opinion piece from the G&M today.

Opinion: What is Jamil Jivani’s deal?

The Ontario MP is not just an embarrassment to his party, he’s increasingly a menace to the country

www.theglobeandmail.com

Archive

Beat ya by a second.

 

[ArmyRick]

I said during Trudeau's first term that the worst thing the CPC could do was put an attack dog like PP as their leader, and here we are.

And Trudeau is gone, thank you Pierre. Hey remember in 2024 when you were absolutely sure Trudeau would fight another election? Go back and read your own comments.

 

[Altair]

And Trudeau is gone, thank you Pierre. Hey remember in 2024 when you were absolutely sure Trudeau would fight another election? Go back and read your own comments.

If the grand heights of the aspirations of the CPC and PP were to turf Trudeau, congratulations to them.

 

[HavokFour]

Interesting happening. Carney will attend the EU State of the Union on September 16th, and will be giving a speech to EU Parliament on the 17th.

Canada’s Carney to attend EU’s State of the Union

“In these challenging times, strengthening our relationships across the world is vital,” the European Commission told POLITICO.

www.politico.eu

 

[Nvlgzr]

Opinion: What is Jamil Jivani’s deal?

The Ontario MP is not just an embarrassment to his party, he’s increasingly a menace to the country

www.theglobeandmail.com

I wish the CPC the best of luck if the membership select Mr Jivani as their next leader after Poilievre.

But I do not put it past their membership to do that.

I said during Trudeau's first term that the worst thing the CPC could do was put an attack dog like PP as their leader, and here we are.

Seems to me that one needs reform party roots to rise up in the CPC.

 

[The Bread Guy]

This guy has a track record of being unquestioningly a ultra-hard-anti-Red Team Blue fan, and if he says something's gotta give, maybe more people should listen.

Spencer Fernando: The Conservatives still don’t understand what’s happening

If you aren’t convincingly against Donald Trump, nothing else matters.

www.readtheline.ca

Also archived here.

Mind you, some may find him not quite Blue enough these days, so YMMV - from the piece ....

 

[ArmyRick]

This guy has a track record of being unquestioningly a ultra-hard-anti-Red Team Blue fan, and if he says something's gotta give, maybe more people should listen.

Spencer Fernando: The Conservatives still don’t understand what’s happening

If you aren’t convincingly against Donald Trump, nothing else matters.

www.readtheline.ca

Also archived here.

Mind you, some may find him not quite Blue enough these days, so YMMV - from the piece ....
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My take (for what narrow a view it is) is many of the "red tory" faction want a softer or more left leaning version of the tories.
Why?
When Tories try to be more liberals, they hand the Libs another easy election victory. Another reminder, the last election was a hairline victory for Carney Liberals and Pierre still managed to increase CPC seat count by 20 seats. Not enough to take the crown.

Now some here will cheer on the idea of Tory leader being a "red tory", I suspect many of them just want to see the CPC stay in opposition.

I will be sharing an interview with David Colletto of Abacus pollinng who offers insight. He was one of the most accurate pollsters last election. Wait out.

 

[ArmyRick]

David Colletto of Abacus Polling has some interesting takes on polling and the factors influencing them

 

[brihard]

My take (for what narrow a view it is) is many of the "red tory" faction want a softer or more left leaning version of the tories.
Why?
When Tories try to be more liberals, they hand the Libs another easy election victory. Another reminder, the last election was a hairline victory for Carney Liberals and Pierre still managed to increase CPC seat count by 20 seats. Not enough to take the crown.

Now some here will cheer on the idea of Tory leader being a "red tory", I suspect many of them just want to see the CPC stay in opposition.

I will be sharing an interview with David Colletto of Abacus pollinng who offers insight. He was one of the most accurate pollsters last election. Wait out.

Poilievre and his Reform Party faction that came to dominate the CPC are not really aligned with what we’ve considered ‘Tories’; to try to characterize them as such isn’t accurate. They absorbed the Progressive Conservatives, and then shifted away from that alignment. That’s left a vacuum that Carney has deftly slipped the LPC into, albeit at the cost of increasingly leaving a corresponding vacuum on the left.

If and when the CPC recover their sense of where they’re at, it will be necessary for them to fight hard to recover that center and centre right space that they’ve at least partially ceded to the sudden LPC shift. Not sure how they’ll actually do it.

 

[ArmyRick]

Poilievre and his Reform Party faction that came to dominate the COC are not really aligned with what we’ve considered ‘Tories’; to try to characterize them as such isn’t accurate. They absorbed the Progressive Conservatives, and then shifted away from that alignment. That’s left a vacuum that Carney has deftly slipped the LPC into, albeit at the cost of increasingly leaving a corresponding vacuum on the left.

If and when the CPC recover their sense of where they’re at, it will be necessary for them to fight hard to recover that center and centre right space that they’ve at least partially ceded to the sudden LPC shift. Not sure how they’ll actually do it.

Disagree with your opinion. Leave it at that. (Edit at work and had to cut it short) Different time period, different context and different national focuses.

 

[brihard]

Disagree with your opinion. Leave it at that.

I said a number of things. Which part do you disagree with?

 

[ArmyRick]

Poilievre and his Reform Party faction

Reform? Bud, they are long history. Comparing todays CPC to the reform is like comparing Carney/Trudeau Lioberals with Chretein Liberals. Very different beast.
Have you heard Poilievre call for senatorial reform specifically with equal senators for each province? Have you heard him ask for not treating Quebec any different than any other province? Nope. These were key reform party aims.
He has advocated for smaller government (and fewer regulations) and to treat Western Canada fairly (there are many who back him). That alone is hardly enough to say they are "reform party" holdovers.

and then shifted away from that alignment

What? Poilievre and this brand of CPC are seeking
-Smaller government
-Fewer taxes
-Less regulations
-Removal of ALL carbon taxes/fees/levys/ etc especially for ALL energy and resource projects
-Reward Municipalities for early completion of homes when federal funding is involved/penalize for late or no completion
-Speed up major projects (and NOT start more bureaucracies)
-Criminal justice and bail reform (Jail not bail reforms)
-Encourage small business development
-Encourage expansion of trades (plumbers, carpenters, electricians, etc)
-Reduced immigration and returning to Harper era immigration policy (which Jason Kenney openly supports)

What here is "Reform party" platform from 25-30 years ago?

 

[MrWhyt]

. Another reminder, the last election was a hairline victory for Carney

after the CPC blew a 20 point lead.

 

[Altair]

after the CPC blew a 20 point lead.

True. We should do a redo right now, see how the CPC fairs in a rematch.

 

[ArmyRick]

after the CPC blew a 20 point lead.

They never had a 20 point lead against the Liberals when Carney became Prime Minister. They had it against the Trudeau Liberals. Been stated like 20 times already, hell even CBC doesn't say that crap anymore. If you believe Kory Tenyecke, you better get your head on straight, he is a LOBBYIST openly lobbying the federal LPC for several companies.