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Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

not given a mulligan.
Wait? Like the Canadian people gave the LPC a mulligan?
He should have been out when he failed to keep his own seat
And we gave him a strong showing of support last January, so dead argument. If the CPC membership did not want him, they would have said so at that time.
That being said, if it comes up again (the CPC is the only party that has that right) and we decide to toss him out, then he is done.
I’m not sure how wise popular selection of party candidates is, for reasons like this…
I am all for selecting our candidates in the parties (I supported out MP Alex Ruff when he was running to replace Larry Miller as the CPC candidate in our riding, their was like 6 choices on the ballet if I remember correctly).
That being said, I would like to know why the CPC didn't screen this candidate that they had to boot out.
 
What? You really want to hurt the CPC right now, don't you? He is a poison pill. His hypocritical behaviour during the lockdowns has ruined his reputation.


Word around the campfire (rumours) is that Pierre will step down if CPC loses.

On that note, I found out more about the candidate the locals originally picked as a CPC candidate (and was replaced by the party). He is apparently very openly homophobic, transphobic and would pursue issue conservatives left alone LONG time ago (like abortion).
Kenney's transgressions were last week. No one will remember.
 
I'm not saying you're wrong, I think its great policy. However the realist in me sees that until we have a CPC government, there will be absolutely no movement on the issue because LPC owes those same $100K+ per annum seniors their political lives.

This won't be tackled by any party until the demographic with the most skin in the game is a less influential demographic.
 
Based on the last pay increase, any Major or above with five years in rank (regardless of trade), retiring after 35 years will receive a pension of $100K+ annually (assuming no division due to divorce, which, admittedly, may not be a reasonable assumption).

Ignoring SOF and SAR, only CCWOs will cross the 100K pension line.

Like I said. Outside of specialist officers, is basically senior officers and Chiefs with a CD2. And that's not actually a lot of the CAF. The majority of the CAF is NCMs. And the majority of the CAF doesn't reach a CD2.

In the civilian world, we're basically talking about senior executives having 100k incomes in retirement. I don't think I know a single senior who has six figure pension.
 
Maybe. But not that many six figure earning seniors. I bet if the phase out was between $80-100k, about 90% of seniors wouldn't be impacted and billions would still be saved.
Not as large as you might think. Over a year it would work out to less than 7 Billion. Its not chump change but it isn't a large enough figure to entice the government to risk alienating that same 10%. Apart from their votes they are also significant contributors to the party kettle.
 
Well, we have a lot more seniors receiving it. The last surplus was 2014-15. OAS recipients have increased 32% since then. Given that that’s an expansion of one of our largest federal expenditures, that growth in OAS recipients is a huge hit on the federal balance sheet.
Sure. In case I didn't already mention it, 2026 Fiscal Reference Tables are out. (Apparently 2014-15 was not quite a budgetary surplus.)

In that same period, federal revenues grew from about $280B to $526B (nominal, not adjusted). That's almost an 88% increase. BoC inflation calculator shows about 34% inflation over that same period.

[Add: program expenses approximately doubled and public debt charges more than doubled in the same period.]

The problem is not revenues. Revenues are growing handily. The problem is expenses.

Sure OAS should be reformed, but after OAS is reformed, the spending problem remains. OAS reform will be a one-time downward adjustment in spending without much affecting spending growth (a slight easing of the slope of the trend line as long as the relative number seniors in the population continues to increase). The essential trend will remain.

Canada has a spending problem.
 
Not as large as you might think. Over a year it would work out to less than 7 Billion. Its not chump change but it isn't a large enough figure to entice the government to risk alienating that same 10%. Apart from their votes they are also significant contributors to the party kettle.

We've got people complaining about the few million spent on Eurovision. But we're supposed to ignore $7B that could be saved/repurposed from OAS?
 
We've got people complaining about the few million spent on Eurovision. But we're supposed to ignore $7B that could be saved/repurposed from OAS?
why not, we just wrote off almost 5 billion in irretrievable COVID payouts. Just call it a rounding error.
 
why not, we just wrote off almost 5 billion in irretrievable COVID payouts. Just call it a rounding error.

Those are rookie numbers...

The Waste File:​

Counted in full, every dollar out that bought nothing of equal value comes to $114.2 billion to $147.9 billion. That is cost past the price announced, debts Ottawa has written off, and money its own books expect not to come back. Then the file, from ArriveCAN, an app whose first version cost $80,000 and whose total the Auditor General put at $59.5M, to a Phoenix pay system that still can't pay everyone on time. Every entry links to its source.

 
Those are rookie numbers...

The Waste File:​

Counted in full, every dollar out that bought nothing of equal value comes to $114.2 billion to $147.9 billion. That is cost past the price announced, debts Ottawa has written off, and money its own books expect not to come back. Then the file, from ArriveCAN, an app whose first version cost $80,000 and whose total the Auditor General put at $59.5M, to a Phoenix pay system that still can't pay everyone on time. Every entry links to its source.

there isn't an emoj for speechless.
 
Those are rookie numbers...

The Waste File:​

Counted in full, every dollar out that bought nothing of equal value comes to $114.2 billion to $147.9 billion. That is cost past the price announced, debts Ottawa has written off, and money its own books expect not to come back. Then the file, from ArriveCAN, an app whose first version cost $80,000 and whose total the Auditor General put at $59.5M, to a Phoenix pay system that still can't pay everyone on time. Every entry links to its source.

As always, Caveat Lector

A couple of observations:

This anonymous website was launched in support of the Alberta referendum on 28 Sep 26.

The sources are very valid.

The individual facts on that page are mostly accurate and properly sourced. The headline number is not. “$114.2B to $147.9B of waste” is a figure the site constructed. It depends on a definition of “waste” that most auditors and economists would reject. Roughly two-thirds of it is cost growth on defence and infrastructure projects, much of it not yet spent, plus a loan-forgiveness feature the government designed on purpose.

1. It counts cost escalation as “waste.”
Part 1 ($60.9B to $94.6B) treats the gap between a first price and today’s estimate as “money spent for nothing extra.” That doesn’t hold up:
  • CSC: It compares a 2008 then-year budget with a 2022 PBO projection that covers development and acquisition. Scope, inflation and design all changed in between, and most of that money has not been spent yet. The page admits this in the fine print, then counts it anyway.
  • F-35: The AG did not call the increase waste. She attributed some of it to factors outside the department’s control, such as inflation and foreign exchange. The government’s own breakdown shows contingency rising from $2.0 billion to $6.2 billion. A larger reserve is not a loss. oag-bvgcanada
  • TMX: The overrun is real and badly managed. But the pipeline is a revenue-earning asset. Counting the whole overrun as “bought nothing of equal value” ignores what the asset is worth. The economic loss is the gap between cost and sale value, which is much smaller.
2. It counts deliberate policy as “waste.” The $12.6B in CEBA forgiveness was built into the loan terms as a grant component. You can argue it was bad policy. It isn’t waste in the audit sense.

3. Provisions are not losses. Part 3 ($35.7B) is accounting allowances. The site acknowledges this, then adds them to the total anyway.

4. Gross versus net. The $14B COVID figure includes money already recovered. The CRA says roughly $10 billion is still owed after it recovered about $4 billion. southasiandaily

5. Internal inconsistency. The page runs two totals ($110.3B and $114.2B to $147.9B) with different TMX baselines. The FAQ cites $5.1B for Phoenix while the body uses $5.7B. A single headline figure that moves depending on which section you read is a credibility problem.

6. Curation. The ethics and scandal section is entirely Trudeau-era. The 2012 AG findings on the Harper-era F-35 process and the Senate expenses affair are absent, even though CSC (a 2008 decision) is counted in the dollar total. The facts are accurate, but the selection is one-sided.

Bottom line: The footnotes are good and lead to real AG, PBO and Public Accounts documents. The framing is advocacy. A defensible “waste” figure would be limited to documented improper payments, ineligible recipients and audited mismanagement: CEBA ineligibles, the AG’s $4.6B in individual overpayments (net of recoveries), ArriveCAN, SDTC and Phoenix overruns. That puts it in the low tens of billions at most, not $114B to $148B.

My 2 shekels
 
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