Locking posts-parting comments

[Jarnhamar]

I've just noticed something that may or may not be something to consider

I've noticed that when mods lock topics, sometimes it is a straight forward "this thread is being locked due to personal attacks". (for example) To the point.

Other times I've noticed that as the thread gets locked, the locking DS member gets in a final word. Either a comment,something reaffirming their argument or even taking a parting shot.

I don't think that's fair to get one more kick at the can before locking a thread. If a thread has reached a point where it needs to be shut down I think it should be locked sans any parting comments.
Like with members, if any further comments are to be made then the thread should be opened to everyone to allow counter comments.

 

[Yrys]

I don't think that's fair to get one more kick at the can before locking a thread. If a thread has reached a point where it needs to be shut down I think it should be locked sans any parting comments. Like with members, if any further comments are to be made then the thread should be opened to everyone to allow counter comments

Technically, non DS-member can pm a DS to ask a comment to be had add.

I did, and it was add. So it's seems more fairer to me that what you are depicting...

 

[Jarnhamar]

When a comment is added is the thread reopened for everyone or just that comment added?

 

[Yrys]

When a comment is added is the thread reopened for everyone or just that comment added?

In the case I was referring to, the locked was unlock a few hours after my comments was add. Each lock is different.

Sometimes you can see a mod or two adding comment to a locked thread, not always realising when they
do that that it is locked (doesn't work the same way for them).

Why don't you read some of the others threads about that subject ?


Locking threads...

Army.ca Ideology -- what is it?

Locked but Not Locked Threads?

Army.ca Directing Staff (Moderator) Guidelines

We Are Family 

 

[Michael OLeary]

When a comment is added is the thread reopened for everyone or just that comment added?

That all depends on the nature and content of the comment, and how willing the Moderator is to referee furtherance of a thread that he/she or another staff has already found cause to lock.  After a few years of this type of event, as most of the Staff have been around that long, you start to realize which discussions are endless and unprofitable.  Add to that the frustration of dealing with certain issues over and over again.  It's easy to question the staff approach, but keep in mind the alternative is an impersonal "Staff" identifier and little or no opportunity to even ask for continuance even when you do think it is merited.

 

[Mike Bobbitt]

I'd also suggest that if it seems we're "lock heavy" at times, it may be because we prefer it to the alternative of deleting a thread all together, which potentially looses a lot of valuable information.

If you have a particular example in mind we can discuss it. It's possible there were factors in play that were not made obvious in the locking DS's closing comments.


Cheers
Mike

 

[Kat Stevens]

My only real beef with thread locking, is that frequently 3 or 4 DS get to pile on after the lock.

 

[Mike Baker]

My only real beef with thread locking, is that frequently 3 or 4 DS get to pile on after the lock.

I have to agree with you on that. After a thread is locked, I think that, unless it is really important, there shouldn't be any other posts made. Other then that, I am behind the DS 100%


Baker

 

[Mike Bobbitt]

The standing rule is that we don't post after a lock. I realize it happens at times... sometimes as an accident because we don't get a warning when we post to a locked topic (all the reply functions are still active for us so it's easy to miss). Sometimes it's to add a bit more, and sometimes I'll admit, it happens when it shouldn't. So: I agree. There have been times when we posted through a lock and shouldn't have. I believe they're the minority but they happen and it's something we're trying to put an end to.

 

[X-mo-1979]

The standing rule is that we don't post after a lock. I realize it happens at times... sometimes as an accident because we don't get a warning when we post to a locked topic (all the reply functions are still active for us so it's easy to miss). Sometimes it's to add a bit more, and sometimes I'll admit, it happens when it shouldn't. So: I agree. There have been times when we posted through a lock and shouldn't have. I believe they're the minority but they happen and it's something we're trying to put an end to.

Keep up the good work.

Now lock this topic and lets all post after and pick on KAT. ;D

Think there are some valid point brought up from both the users and mod's.

Maybe a Mod who hasnt played a larger role in the heated topic should lock it?Depending on who's online of course...

However I'm sure you guys got it handled.

 

[muskrat89]

Maybe a Mod who hasnt played a larger role in the heated topic should lock it?Depending on who's online of course...

That's exactly what we try to do.

Again - if someone thinks a Staff Member is piling on after a lock, or prematurely locking a topic or whatever, there are 2 appropriate courses of action:

1) Report to Mod  function
2) PM Mike

If it doesn't bother you enough to do either of those, then it shouldn't be popping up in a "complaint" thread. That's my $0.02

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Muskrat, just so its noted, "Flawed" brought this topic up with me last night in a private chat room.

 

[muskrat89]

... and that's cool too, Bruce.

We just ALWAYS seem to have people piping up in this kind of thread, instead of taking action at the time. (not directed at you Kat)

 

[Kat Stevens]

The thought never crossed my mind.....

 

[Greymatters]

The standing rule is that we don't post after a lock. I realize it happens at times... sometimes as an accident because we don't get a warning when we post to a locked topic (all the reply functions are still active for us so it's easy to miss). Sometimes it's to add a bit more, and sometimes I'll admit, it happens when it shouldn't. So: I agree. There have been times when we posted through a lock and shouldn't have. I believe they're the minority but they happen and it's something we're trying to put an end to.

Can we actually offer percentages or the number of times this occurs?  It doesnt seem to be such a continuous problem that a big issue needs to be made of it...

 

[the 48th regulator]

Can we actually offer percentages or the number of times this occurs?  It doesnt seem to be such a continuous problem that a big issue needs to be made of it...

I agree,

Can we quantify the amount of times this has happened?

dileas

tess

 

[benny88]

Can we actually offer percentages or the number of times this occurs?  It doesnt seem to be such a continuous problem that a big issue needs to be made of it...

  Agreed that it's not a big enough problem to take major action over. More so it's a personal thing, most mods (rightly so) usually sum up the thread and clarify why it is being locked, and sometimes their opinions spill over into their administrative duties, which I can't blame them for. So instead of having a hullabaloo about it, I guess they just each need to make an effort when closing a thread not to take what may be viewed as a "parting shot." Kudos to them though, it is hard to remain aloof from what are often tough debates and they do it better than I could.

 

[Greymatters]

Most Mod final comments have never struck me as 'parting shots', usually more of an attempt at closing the thread with a neutrally witty comment (followed by an implied rimshot)...

 

[Mike Bobbitt]

The system doesn't differentiate a post made after a lock from one made before a lock. I suppose if I wanted to get really fancy I could tally up the number of locked threads where the last two posts were from moderators. Then compare that result to the overall total of locked posts. It wouldn't be a completely accurate count and probably a bear to figure out, but would be as close as we could come.

If I find I've run out of productive things to do I may give it a try.

 

[the 48th regulator]

The system doesn't differentiate a post made after a lock from one made before a lock. I suppose if I wanted to get really fancy I could tally up the number of locked threads where the last two posts were from moderators. Then compare that result to the overall total of locked posts. It wouldn't be a completely accurate count and probably a bear to figure out, but would be as close as we could come.

If I find I've run out of productive things to do I may give it a try.

I think our concerns were directed at the author of the thread, and those that support him.

You deserve a break from all the shenanigans we mods cook up for you as it is!

dileas

tess