Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels (MCDVs)

[Colin Parkinson]

I think there is a case for a small number of MCM specific ships that are civilian standards based, that can embark payloads, 25 knot speed, drone capability, good range, small caliber naval gun, full sized RHIB, degaussing and large enough to support training. Something that is easily maintained and a low operating cost. A Toyota Hilux of the RCN. For the ORCA replacements no not a Kingston Class replacement.

Anything on the small but bigger than 40' side that can do 25kts starts getting expensive to run. These can do a lot of your MCM tasks, but not the other stuff as well

 

[KevinB]

Armed naval vessels permanently stationed on the Great Lakes? Mr’s Rush and Bagot would like a word.

Rush–Bagot Treaty - Wikipedia

The .50’s are removable as they are in pintle mounts. Removing the Mk38 for the GL ones is what it was referring to above. So you’d get some without that gun for the Great Lakes, and yet have the ability to drop in a RWS (ideally a GUA-19 system) module plug and play if any where to be relocated to outside of the GLs.

 

[Stoker]

Anything on the small but bigger than 40' side that can do 25kts starts getting expensive to run. These can do a lot of your MCM tasks, but not the other stuff as well

That's not really going to cut it working with a NATO group.

 

[lenaitch]

NOAA came out today saying that Lake Huron will have waves 14-16ft, I’m sure that can be comparable to the conditions found on the WC from time to time. What’s the max wave height that the Orcas will go out in?

Lake Superior says 'pffft'.

https://www.timminstoday.com/around-ontario/buoys-record-288-foot-wave-height-average-on-lake-superior-750812

I used to live on the eastern shore of the Lake. It is truly spectacular in the autumn.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Lake Superior says 'pffft'.

https://www.timminstoday.com/around-ontario/buoys-record-288-foot-wave-height-average-on-lake-superior-750812

I used to live on the eastern shore of the Lake. It is truly spectacular in the autumn.

I remember reading about that!
You would think that we’d have some Orca-like training vessels on the GL’s would make some sense, I mean you’ve got about 10 million Canadians all along the shorelines from Thunder Bay to Cornwall.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

But they will do the entranc

That's not really going to cut it working with a NATO group.

But they will do the entrances and approaches to your naval bases and major ports. I longed advocated for something like the new Belgium/Dutch vessel to be able to do MCM work further afield and support NATO & the US which is weak in that area.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

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I remember reading about that!
You would think that we’d have some Orca-like training vessels on the GL’s would make some sense, I mean you’ve got about 10 million Canadians all along the shorelines from Thunder Bay to Cornwall.

They certainly seemed excited by the recent AOP's visit. I always assumed they had a training squadron on the lakes as it seem just so obvious, apparently not.

 

[Stoker]

But they will do the entranc

But they will do the entrances and approaches to your naval bases and major ports. I longed advocated for something like the new Belgium/Dutch vessel to be able to do MCM work further afield and support NATO & the US which is weak in that area.

Do they have degaussing, the ability to launch and recover a Momba? Can they carry a dive team with workshop and decompression chamber? Can they embark all MCM packages including Sea Fox? Can they store safely explosives and detonators? Do they have ability to analyse that sonar data and be able to share it secure? That's the sort of stuff we currently do. Yes it sounds easy but really its not.